Where do songs like this come from?

[tubes]

Told ya!!!

Arctic Monkeys? 1975?
I dunno what they're talking bout.
Meanwhile, this song in the original post....
it doesn't really have a hook. It seems to me that a popular song would need a good old melodic hook.

 

[Australian]

Arctic Monkeys? 1975?
I dunno what they're talking bout.
Meanwhile, this song in the original post....
it doesn't really have a hook. It seems to me that a popular song would need a good old melodic hook.

Its full of hooks.
Post up a song with hooks so that I know what you consider a hook.

Anyway, one of the best acoustic guitar songs ever written:

 

[tubes]

Its full of hooks.
Post up a song with hooks so that I know what you consider a hook.

Anyway, one of the best acoustic guitar songs ever written:

> Its full of hooks.
> Post up a song with hooks so that I know what you consider a hook.

Stop it Australian - don't pretend you you don't know what a hook is!!!!

On the other hand...
...sure, if you ask for a clear definition things get difficult.
I'm thinking about some memorable ingredient in a song, distinctive and memorable.
Could be a guitar riff, a melodic statement or something in the bass. Could also be a progression of tasty chords.

The guitar riff in Atomic, by Blondie - the masters of the pop song
You only have to hear those first four notes and you know what's coming: the crowd roars.



A lot of popular songs are like this: a few notes and the crowd goes wild.

And I can't think of a single other one.
Well, maybe, Smoke on the Water.

Something, by the Beatles
The first five notes are a a hook, despite lack of melodic movement.
It's a hook because it's so recognizable.
Also the distinctive guitar phrase in that song is a melodic hook.
The crowd claps with warm appreciation. (It's an older age group.)

I'm Mandy, Fly Me
The memorable guitar riff is the hook.

Take Five, Brubeck
It's the only song on the radio that's in 5/4 - so it stands out.
(I'm taking about the radio in 1864.)
But also, the melody is distinctive and memorable.

What about the Bass?
The hook can be in the bass.

 

[Australian]

> Its full of hooks.
> Post up a song with hooks so that I know what you consider a hook.

Stop it Australian - don't pretend you you don't know what a hook is!!!!

On the other hand...
...sure, if you ask for a clear definition things get difficult.
I'm thinking about some memorable ingredient in a song, distinctive and memorable.
Could be a guitar riff, a melodic statement or something in the bass. Could also be a progression of tasty chords.

The guitar riff in Atomic, by Blondie - the masters of the pop song
You only have to hear those first four notes and you know what's coming: the crowd roars.



A lot of popular songs are like this: a few notes and the crowd goes wild.

And I can't think of a single other one.
Well, maybe, Smoke on the Water.

Something, by the Beatles
The first five notes are a a hook, despite lack of melodic movement.
It's a hook because it's so recognizable.
Also the distinctive guitar phrase in that song is a melodic hook.
The crowd claps with warm appreciation. (It's an older age group.)

I'm Mandy, Fly Me
The memorable guitar riff is the hook.

Take Five, Brubeck
It's the only song on the radio that's in 5/4 - so it stands out.
(I'm taking about the radio in 1864.)
But also, the melody is distinctive and memorable.

What about the Bass?
The hook can be in the bass.

You seem to be confusing a hook with a motif. Not to say that a motif cant be a hook though.
If you can park your scholarly professorial aspect for a moment, we can get back to a practical approach to hooks and take them at face value and utilize an anglers approach and purpose of hooks.

 

[80sTone]

Decode by Paramore is probably the best song that millenials have given us:

meh....not feeling anything but I am plenty older I guess doesnt really move me - but thanks for sharing - heard of them but never listened to anything until now so thats a plus for me

 

[Dogs of Doom]

the toilet?

 

[Australian]

😿

Mark my words-Paramore will feature at the 2024 Grammys . Their new album drops tomorrow.

This naff song won best song at the Grammys this year:

 

[Lo-Tek]

😿

Mark my words-Paramore will feature at the 2024 Grammys . Their new album drops tomorrow.

This naff song won best song at the Grammys this year:

What do you mean by "will feature at the Grammys"?
Perhaps they will perform but I'd be surprised if it was anything more than that.

Based on the success of her new single I suspect the next Grammys will be featuring Miley. lol

Lizzo: I won't be buying her albums but at least she is a trained musician who writes actual songs. In my book she seems to have considerable more talent than most pop divas. I believe she had some connection to Prince; a guy that seemed pretty good at identifying musical talent.

 

[Australian]

What do you mean by "will feature at the Grammys"?
Perhaps they will perform but I'd be surprised if it was anything more than that.

Based on the success of her new single I suspect the next Grammys will be featuring Miley. lol

Lizzo: I won't be buying her albums but at least she is a trained musician who writes actual songs. In my book she seems to have considerable more talent than most pop divas. I believe she had some connection to Prince; a guy that seemed pretty good at identifying musical talent.

By feature at the 2024 Grammys: paramore will perform; will win more than one Grammy; will be inducted into the Hall of Fluff.

Lizzo CAN sing I give her that. And she performed better than most at this years Grammys.

Miley is a skanky weirdo. I liked her voice when she was younger, but now sounds like she’s abusing you with vitriol . But some people like you find skank endearing.

 

[JamminJeff]

I was lucky to have met and recorded with one of Willie Nelson's bass players. (A super nice guy by the way). He was more into fusion and rock but could easily play country-ish music.

He told me in so many words the reason musicians write too many changes into their music is because they can. He was trying to tell me something.

In other words, we learn to play, write, arrange and grasp enough music theory to create complicated music to satisfy our own egos, but we forget the listener/audience just wants to tap their feet, clap their hands, forget about life for awhile and have a good time. They basically want to sing along and feel a connection. The more cerebral type listeners are either musicians or deep thinkers who get it.

Based on today's pop music trends, deep thinking is not a pre-requisite.

In some respects, it's much easier to write a complex 7 minute song than it is to write a 3 1/2 minute hookie pop song. I lived every bit of the 80's and heard Blondie and others like her played on the radio a countless number of times.

Prog and galloping metal was eventually drowned out by sexy trashy slutty singers who delivered some very memorable hits. Sex sells and so does a short song full of hooks and repeating lyrics.

My hat is off to those who can write like that.

The rest of us just use too many notes.

 

[Australian]

the toilet?

It is possible that Hayley Williams brainstormed it while having a pee

 

[Lo-Tek]

Miley is a skanky weirdo. I liked her voice when she was younger, but now sounds like she’s abusing you with vitriol . But some people like you find skank endearing.

Skanky? I don't know.
You were all in on Bad Baby, Iggy and Dua - also artists many people refer to as skanks.
Hell, most of the rock musicians we grew up on were skanks, druggies. and reprobates too. lol

The only point I was trying to make is the Grammys often seem to honor commercial success over art and Miley is currently on top of the charts pretty much around the globe.

 

[Australian]

Skanky? I don't know.
You were all in on Bad Baby, Iggy and Dua - also artists many people refer to as skanks.
Hell, most of the rock musicians we grew up on were skanks, druggies. and reprobates too. lol

The only point I was trying to make is the Grammys often seem to honor commercial success over art and Miley is currently on top of the charts pretty much around the globe.

I just watched her Onlyfans-esque music video for that crappy song Flowers. She don' hold a candle to Hayley Williams.

I can see why you like her though, cos she shows her ass in the shower in the music vid.

 

[tubes]

You seem to be confusing a hook with a motif. Not to say that a motif cant be a hook though.
If you can park your scholarly professorial aspect for a moment, we can get back to a practical approach to hooks and take them at face value and utilize an anglers approach and purpose of hooks.

> ...confusing a hook with a motif.
I might well be doing that. To my thinking when a motif is memorable, that makes it a hook.

I take 'motif' to be a well defined musical term while 'hook' is.... ?
...shorthand that musicians 'get'
...ultimately a marketing term. Shorthand that industry executives 'get'

> ...we can get back to a practical approach to hooks...
But then that Paramore song does not have a hook.
Seems to me that if the song had a hook it would come back into my mind from time to time.
I have listened to it a few times but it hasn't dropped any anchors.

> ... hooks... take them at face value and utilize an anglers approach and purpose of hooks.
One man's bait is another man's poisson.
I shouldn't bite but I probably will.

 

[Australian]

> ...confusing a hook with a motif.
I might well be doing that. To my thinking when a motif is memorable, that makes it a hook.

I take 'motif' to be a well defined musical term while 'hook' is.... ?
...shorthand that musicians 'get'
...ultimately a marketing term. Shorthand that industry executives 'get'

> ...we can get back to a practical approach to hooks...
But then that Paramore song does not have a hook.
Seems to me that if the song had a hook it would come back into my mind from time to time.
I have listened to it a few times but it hasn't dropped any anchors.

> ... hooks... take them at face value and utilize an anglers approach and purpose of hooks.
One man's bait is another man's poisson.
I shouldn't bite but I probably will.

But do hooks affect every demographic/audience equally though?
There may be hooks in Rap songs that people with musical taste don't hear, but the Rappers audience is hooked on.

 

[tubes]

But do hooks affect every demographic/audience equally though?
There may be hooks in Rap songs that people with musical taste don't hear, but the Rappers audience is hooked on.

> But do hooks affect every demographic/audience equally though?
No. Not equally.
Lovers of Genre X hear things that that other listeners, unfamiliar with the genre, do not hear.

I'm taking the bait: hook, line and sinker.

 

[Australian]

> But do hooks affect every demographic/audience equally though?
No. Not equally.
Lovers of Genre X hear things that that other listeners, unfamiliar with the genre, do not hear.

I'm taking the bait: hook, line and sinker.

Thats how I like it Socrates.

 

[Australian]

> But do hooks affect every demographic/audience equally though?
No. Not equally.
Lovers of Genre X hear things that that other listeners, unfamiliar with the genre, do not hear.

I'm taking the bait: hook, line and sinker.

I have to wonder if the wifi is slow in your neck of the woods, or do only fire the computer up in rhythmic intervals?

 

[mark123]

It’s getting really nerdy in here.

 

[Australian]

It’s getting really nerdy in here.

needy, even.