This is my confession. I've strayed and I'm repenting.

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I’ve been using a Blackstar ID:60 for about 9 years now…. It’s super versatile and I think it’s the kind of amp you want if you play in several tribute bands. I really learned to love it and other Blackstar amps an pedals too.

Recently I made the switch to a Hughes and Kettner Black Spirit 200 Floor. It‘s a really long story why I thought this amp was right for me, and tbh, if Blackstar had come out with this exact type of floor amp (not the Amped1), then I would have bought it with no questions asked.

For some reason it’s taken me a couple of months to get used to the sound and feel of the H&K. I’ve really only used it live so far, but I have to say, I’m really getting to like it. You just need to make sure all the switches are set correctly for the configuration you’re using it in or it won’t be responding the way you want. My Blackstar would allow me to set up a really authentic JCM900 tone, I’m beginning to realize that my H&K is getting close for that as well. It’s funny, cuz IMO, the tone controls don’t feel like they do a lot, actually. Not as much as other amps I’ve used. Maybe it’s just me…. Haha.
 

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Isn't it quite normal to admire both: the Vox and Marshall voices of Rock music?

One of the best Ideas of my life was to buy a Vox AC 15 Head at the beginning of the corona pandemic. It was a kind of reward for having learned all the Beatles songs I admired when I fell in love with Popular Music at the age of nine, many many winters ago ... .

Actually I play my Vox mainly with my Casino nearly as often as my Marshall 6100 with Strat and Burny Les Paul. For my Tele I love them both equally.

So long words cut short:

Ego te absolvo frater!
 

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Isn't it quite normal to admire both: the Vox and Marshall voices of Rock music?…………..
No,….. Not me, I’ve never played through a Vox amp that did anything for me. Just not my taste.
 

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Then I will make a confession as well:
For nearly eight years in my live I was playing nothing but Fender amps.
Maybe I 'm simply an Amp slut.
 

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I can relate to Vox AC-30's being heavy, I have two Twin Reverbs!

I've wanted a Vox for a long time, either an AC-30 or an AC-15, but after I bought my Soldano last year I'll have to keep that on hold for now.

I do get what you're saying though Mark, when I bought the Soldano my JMP kind of took a back seat, although that was VERY short lived! My JMP is just THE BEST, if I had to sell all my amps except for just one I would most likely keep the JMP.

I'm a pedal geek myself, and the Soldano doesn't seem to like a lot of my pedals up front either. It has an effects loop, but the way my setup is laid out I need to run my pedalboard through an A/B/C switch, and switch between the two amps. I run a EH Reverb pedal though the effects loop on the Soldano.

Have you tried using both amps at once? I can run the clean channel on the Soldano, along with the JMP at the same time, and that setup sounds killer with my pedalboard! :wub2:
 

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Recently, I got a Vox AC30C2X and I really like it. I've been practicing songs to try out for a band (I must be nuts but that's another thread). I've been using the Vox exclusively since I got it.

The Vox sounds great but when I went over to meet the other guitar player and work out who is playing what part, I took my DSL40C instead because the Vox weighs a ton.

I guess I'm just a Marshall guy, through and through. The DSL Green Crunch channel is just my tone. It was like coming home.

The Vox doesn't take drive pedals well in the front and the effects loop overloads a lot of my modulation pedals. I don't think it's unity gain.

The DSL is like the old Apple ads, "It just works".

Well, that's all I wanted to say. Talk to you soon.
Well, since this is confession time, I must admit I've never played a Vox amp. I've played many amps, owned some, rented some, borrowed some, but never a Vox.

There's really no reason either, it just didn't happen. That being said, I have a fascination with some of Jimmy Page's recordings with Led Zep, The Firm and to a lesser degree with Coverdale-Page. Really anything he has recorded is reported to have some Vox amp sounds on it.

Specifically, I'm the one guy on the planet who thinks Presence is a rock masterpiece. Keep in mind the time period (context) and the evolution of the band, but that album has prudent use of both Marshall and Vox and probably his little Supro.

The song, Tea for One is an amazing recording that has several amps and guitars being well applied, the problem is, I really don't know what a Vox amp of that era sounds like or if a newer Vox amp will do the trick or if it will mix well with a Marshall, live or recorded.

I guess the only way to know is go down that rabbit hole, but there are other rabbit holes yet unexplored and they all seem to end up costing too much.

Is there a Vox sounding pedal that will get me close ?
 

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Specifically, I'm the one guy on the planet who thinks Presence is a rock masterpiece.
True. That you're the only person that likes it.....
The song, Tea for One is an amazing recording
I always thought it was since I've been loving you without the passion dynamism and energy.

Sorry. Also to JP if he's reading this.
 

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Recently, I got a Vox AC30C2X and I really like it. I've been practicing songs to try out for a band (I must be nuts but that's another thread). I've been using the Vox exclusively since I got it.

The Vox sounds great but when I went over to meet the other guitar player and work out who is playing what part, I took my DSL40C instead because the Vox weighs a ton.

I guess I'm just a Marshall guy, through and through. The DSL Green Crunch channel is just my tone. It was like coming home.

The Vox doesn't take drive pedals well in the front and the effects loop overloads a lot of my modulation pedals. I don't think it's unity gain.

The DSL is like the old Apple ads, "It just works".

Well, that's all I wanted to say. Talk to you soon.
100% agree. I have DSL20HR and 212 cab. But I wanted something different for my Strat and the Vox is great with that.
But I mostly play Les Pauls and those need to go into the Marshall.
Period.
 

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The Voxes are heavy cause the cabinet is made out of particle/mdf board, not plywood like the were originally.. MDF is sawdust and glue...I had an original AC-15 made in 1963 and I had one of the first reissues from 1996. I wish I'd kept the original, but a guy offered me $4k for it. I had an AC50. AC100, T-60, Defiant, Berkeley II and a couple of other early AC30's. I just have a mid-64 AC30 left.. but even it's 72 lbs..
 
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The Voxes are heavy cause the cabinet is made out of particle/mdf board, not plywood like the were originally.. MDF is sawdust and glue...
is it?
 

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No, not from what I’ve read.

I read about a comparison done between plywood cabs and mdf cabs, I’m not sure where I read it though, most likely somewhere online.

So I can not verify the results personally, but I recall feeling the results of the comparison in the article were legit.

The results were MDF is no heavier than plywood when comparing cabinets with similar size and construction. The MDF cab and the birch ply, (I think it was birch), weighed virtually the same.
 
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Hello JamminJeff,

I think there is an affordable yoyo pedal, but the first thing that came to my mind was wamplers Thirty Something. For me it sounds stellar.


Thanks. The Wampler has a strong treble booster tone, maybe too strong. I like like strong singing overdrive tones, but don't like it when they start to splatter.

I was aware of the Joyo pedal you mentioned but don't have one. Every time I try a budget pedal, I'm reminded of why they call them budget pedals. The online demos are always tweaked and rarely sound the same in person. The Joyo AC Tone is the one you might be referring to. It's $40 USD on Amazon. I might order one.

The biggest online retailer in the US is a short drive away so I guess it's time to drag myself back to their showroom and test some of the Vox amp or Vox sounding pedals.

I plan on starting to record at home again and need some more flavors. I also need to do some more research on the amps used on the Presence album. Jimmy Page never gave away all his secrets so who really knows but him.

The Joyo pedal is not what's in my head, but here's a YT demo for pedal reference.

 

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I'm with you on that, Jeff. Presence is my favorite Led Zeppelin album with Houses of the a Holy a close second.

Achilles Last Stand is surely my favorite Led Zeppelin song.
I've been listening to the Presence album for a long time, have worn out several vinyl copies, scratched a few CD's, etc. About a year ago I picked up the remastered CD, which is stellar. When I listen to Presence, I hear a future album that Led Zep never made and it bugs me.

When Jimmy Page partnered with Paul Rogers in The Firm, I could hear remnants of Presence. I guess that's to be expected to some degree, but I didn't really here it during the Coverdale-Page era. The Black Crows thing with Jimmy Page is fun to listen to, but I didn't hear that special driving sound that Jimmy Page was delving into during presence. He also was reportedly, less than sober during that album so maybe that had something to do with it. Regardless, he had something inside trying to get out during the recording of Presence.

I'm my view, if the original Led Zep line-up would have progressed into the future, they would have produced a heavier guitar driving version of Presence which could have dominated thru the 80's. It might have skipped an album or two, but all the elements were there.

Jimmy Page was discovering certain guitar tones and progression that peaked their head out during Presence, but were never taken to the next level. Maybe only Mr. Page knows or has forgotten. Maybe there's some demos in his massive storage vault that we will never get to hear.

Regardless, I'm not saying I'm skilled enough to ever pull this off, but I have stumbled on some Jimmy Page inspired tones and chord progressions that give me goosebumps. (Those are hard to come by anymore). The best way I can describe what I'm talking about is some kind of Hard Blues Classic Metal Riffage Progressions, all in the same recipe.

I know I'm not the first to stumble across this kind of thing and I also know I'm standing on the shoulders of giants. I'm okay with that.
 

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Hello again JamminJeff,

maybe I liked the wambler, because I'm very fond of early Rory Gallagher tones. I think you're right about it.

My Vox solution is the AC 15 Head. It is light and you have the attennuator build in - the only let down here is, it only woks with 16 Ohm load. For recording this might be practical.
 

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I tried out for the band a a little over a week ago. I know the Seventy 80 speaker gets panned online but let me tell you it cuts though in a live context. There is no need to replace it in my opinion.


No pedals were on. This was straight in.

Ye olde iPhone mic doesn't do it justice.
 

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I keep trying to like the Vox but the DSL40C is clearly superior. I think I'm going to put the Vox up for sale. I just can't get on with it.
 

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I tried out for the band a a little over a week ago. I know the Seventy 80 speaker gets panned online but let me tell you it cuts though in a live context. There is no need to replace it in my opinion.


No pedals were on. This was straight in.

Ye olde iPhone mic doesn't do it justice.

Sounds good!!
 

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