The Official Marshall Studio Classic Thread Sc20

[scozz]

And...I am going to try in my SC20C with a Mooer Black Secret (the same basically pedal than this Eno Myomorpha) and will tell you.



This guy says that the pedal can act as an underdrive pedal and clean better the tone than the volume knob. Quite strange because it´s not even in the loop, it´s in the front!

I had a Mooer Black Secret (RAT clone) and remember that It can act like this, can decrease your gain if needed without losing volume.

I will borrow it from a friend and share my experiences. Maybe it will not sound like SC20 low input, but a clean tone so easily could be great. Sometimes it´s quite difficult to do it so accurate with volume knob and it´s a very cheap pedal.

Has anybody tried this in the SC20 with this or another pedal? I know this amp works with the two inputs with gain stages in cascades, differents volume levels and it´s not possible to get 2 "footswitcheable" channels but any other solution that works could be great..

I’ve never experienced a pedal that does this, if in fact it’s really doing what it appears to be doing!

Is this a feature of this pedal?!

 

[junk notes]

Yes, quite interesting @scozz. I do this without a *pedal with the SV, but obviously not an SC circuit.
The SV's controls are super sensitive. I dial in my amps (clean) tones based on where the volume sits, in quite a very unorthodox manner. Things happen particularly to Presence (nfb) and the mids when it comes to adding or taking away volume.
Here is a clue. Trust your ears.

Dial it tones in realtime, as if your friend was in the room with you as he rolls up or down the tone knobs to shape while you are strumming.
As an example on your own, I keep plucking on the open D and G together until I hear how its shaping into something I like, and is very usable.

Overall, I would think you would not need a pedal to do all this,
although, I would like to hear some members input after they have used this gain decreasing pedal, and how it improved or was detrimental to their achieved tone.


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if in fact it’s really doing what it appears to be doing!

Is this a feature of this pedal?!

Sounds like it is doing that, but we are listening with his ears, and through his equipment and signal chain.

I’ve never experienced a pedal that does this

*I use a Soul Food quite similar to the video - gain does not go past 1, but I do see that he has the gain maxed in the vid, but then again, I am referencing the SV (circuit), and not the SC (or 800).

 

[DhruvK]

Finally modded my grill, piping, and logo to match the SV212. Love this look!

 

[scozz]

Yes, quite interesting @scozz. I do this without a *pedal with the SV, but obviously not an SC circuit.
The SV's controls are super sensitive. I dial in my amps (clean) tones based on where the volume sits, in quite a very unorthodox manner. Things happen particularly to Presence (nfb) and the mids when it comes to adding or taking away volume.
Here is a clue. Trust your ears.

Dial it tones in realtime, as if your friend was in the room with you as he rolls up or down the tone knobs to shape while you are strumming.
As an example on your own, I keep plucking on the open D and G together until I hear how its shaping into something I like, and is very usable.

Overall, I would think you would not need a pedal to do all this,
although, I would like to hear some members input after they have used this gain decreasing pedal, and how it improved or was detrimental to their achieved tone.


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Sounds like it is doing that, but we are listening with his ears, and through his equipment and signal chain.



*I use a Soul Food quite similar to the video - gain does not go past 1, but I do see that he has the gain maxed in the vid, but then again, I am referencing the SV (circuit), and not the SC (or 800).

Yeah man, I was curious about the pedal, not something I’d ever want or use though.

I get some really nice cleans the old fashioned way, lol, by just backing off my guitars volume. I do like my clean tone to have a little hair on it too, just a whisper of breakup.

No super pristine cleans, I’m not interested in that.

 

[DirtySteve]

Ok so my combo is due tomorrow so I'm gonna go ahead and get this stupid question out of the way.

Y'all were talking about speaker and cab options earlier and it made me wonder, is it possible to hook up two 16 ohm cabs along with the internal speaker? Not necessarily wanting to do that, just wondering if it can be done.

 

[mahoney]

And...I am going to try in my SC20C with a Mooer Black Secret (the same basically pedal than this Eno Myomorpha) and will tell you.



This guy says that the pedal can act as an underdrive pedal and clean better the tone than the volume knob. Quite strange because it´s not even in the loop, it´s in the front!

I had a Mooer Black Secret (RAT clone) and remember that It can act like this, can decrease your gain if needed without losing volume.

I will borrow it from a friend and share my experiences. Maybe it will not sound like SC20 low input, but a clean tone so easily could be great. Sometimes it´s quite difficult to do it so accurate with volume knob and it´s a very cheap pedal.

Has anybody tried this in the SC20 with this or another pedal? I know this amp works with the two inputs with gain stages in cascades, differents volume levels and it´s not possible to get 2 "footswitcheable" channels but any other solution that works could be great..

I finally borrowed a Mooer Black Secret and tested it. Well, you can´t get a clean clean tone like the low input, but it can be interesting for those who want just a bit of hair. It cleans up like the volume knob if you put the pedal volume level at 12 o´clock I would say, but it has the advantage of not depending on your skill with the fingers to get the right level of gain you want. You can do it with many pedals, but they usually decrease the volume. it doesn´t happen with this pedal. You keep the same volume but just less gain.

 

[mahoney]

Yeah man, I was curious about the pedal, not something I’d ever want or use though.

I get some really nice cleans the old fashioned way, lol, by just backing off my guitars volume. I do like my clean tone to have a little hair on it too, just a whisper of breakup.

No super pristine cleans, I’m not interested in that.

Well, it could be interesting for you. I prefer a fendery clean sometimes, but it could work if a bit of hair is your clean tone of preference.

 

[junk notes]

Congratulation on the SC combo!


Ok so my combo is due tomorrow so I'm gonna go ahead and get this stupid question out of the way.

Y'all were talking about speaker and cab options earlier and it made me wonder, is it possible to hook up two 16 ohm cabs along with the internal speaker? Not necessarily wanting to do that, just wondering if it can be done.

two? good question.
2 x 16Ω in series - 8Ω.
Internal speaker - 16Ω

edit: ditch the internal speaker and use the combo as a head for the 2x16Ω cabs, why use the combo speaker?

 

[DirtySteve]

Congratulation on the SC combo!


Ok so my combo is due tomorrow so I'm gonna go ahead and get this stupid question out of the way.

two? good question.
2 x 16Ω in series - 8Ω.
Internal speaker - 16Ω

edit: ditch the internal speaker and use the combo as a head for the 2x16Ω cabs, why use the combo speaker?

It was just a curiosity thing. I don't necessarily want to do that, just wondering if it was possible.

 

[scozz]

It was just a curiosity thing. I don't necessarily want to do that, just wondering if it was possible.

I don’t think so but I’m not sure.

Modern Marshalls with the 5 speaker output jacks have lots of option, including what some might think is “mismatching” ohms.

Using an 8 ohm speaker together with a 16 ohm speaker.

 

[Nevets]

newbie question: if i get a multi-effect pedal like Helix LT or Boss GX100 and run 4 cable method, can I only use modeller clean that feed direct into power amp and SC20h for lead and high gain? Does this sound stupid?

 

[Mitchell Pearrow]

newbie question: if i get a multi-effect pedal like Helix LT or Boss GX100 and run 4 cable method, can I only use modeller clean that feed direct into power amp and SC20h for lead and high gain? Does this sound stupid?

Sounds plausible, but I would ask @SkyMonkey .

 

[SkyMonkey]

newbie question: if i get a multi-effect pedal like Helix LT or Boss GX100 and run 4 cable method, can I only use modeller clean that feed direct into power amp and SC20h for lead and high gain? Does this sound stupid?

Not stupid at all @Nevets.

Using a multi-effect like a GT-100 (which I have) in 4CM puts the Amp preamp into the GT-100's FX loop.
By default, the GT-100 (and I assume, the GX-100) FX loop is set to OFF.
In the OFF mode, all the signal chain from the GT-100 goes directly to the Amp's power amp, without its preamp being involved.
So, any modelled preamp used in the multi-effect is now the only preamp.

When I make a patch for my DSL40CR and the 4CM GT-100, I have to enable the GT-100 FX loop and disable the modeller preamp.
Otherwise I get the purely modelled patch made by BOSS (or myself).

 

[Nevets]

Not stupid at all @Nevets.

Using a multi-effect like a GT-100 (which I have) in 4CM puts the Amp preamp into the GT-100's FX loop.
By default, the GT-100 (and I assume, the GX-100) FX loop is set to OFF.
In the OFF mode, all the signal chain from the GT-100 goes directly to the Amp's power amp, without its preamp being involved.
So, any modelled preamp used in the multi-effect is now the only preamp.

When I make a patch for my DSL40CR and the 4CM GT-100, I have to enable the GT-100 FX loop and disable the modeller preamp.
Otherwise I get the purely modelled patch made by BOSS (or myself).

Great! So i can bypass the SC20h preamp and use the Boss GX-100's as clean amp modeller then.

 

[SkyMonkey]

Great! So i can bypass the SC20h preamp and use the Boss GX-100's as clean amp modeller then.

Yes. Just disable the BOSS GX-100 FX loop on a patch where you want to use the 'Clean' preamp modelling.

 

[DirtySteve]

I don't understand why it has this low watt mode. It really doesn't seem to make that much difference and even at the lowest volume settings it sounds better in 20 watt mode.

 

[mahoney]

I don't understand why it has this low watt mode. It really doesn't seem to make that much difference and even at the lowest volume settings it sounds better in 20 watt mode.

I just press "loop on" button and the volume decreases significantly. Additionally, I use low watt mode and it´s perfect for my room at home. For me, it keeps acceptably the tonal quality.

 

[mahoney]

I just changed the speaker in my SC20C and put a Greenback. It´s a major improvement. Now I feel the amp more open, alive and with better bass response. It also sits better in the mix. It feels exactly like in this comparison;

 

[TXOldRedRocker]

I still have the V-Type in my SC20C. If I change it, I'm inclined to go with the Creamback. Of course, there is no right or wrong, only what somewhat prefers.

 

[scozz]

I just changed the speaker in my SC20C and put a Greenback. It´s a major improvement. Now I feel the amp more open, alive and with better bass response. It also sits better in the mix. It feels exactly like in this comparison;

I still have the V-Type in my SC20C. If I change it, I'm inclined to go with the Creamback. Of course, there is no right or wrong, only what somewhat prefers.

Yeah, I’m running two 1-12 cabs with my SC20h most of the time, one G12M Greenback and one G12M 65 Creamback

If for some reason I’m using just one cab with the SC20, it’s always the Creamback. It just sounds fuller, better balanced, more headroom, and more present in the room than the Greenback imo.

Of course most times I’m running both cabs, the Greenback, being slightly louder, (98 db), than the Creamback, (97 db), is in the bottom cab to help that disparity.

The two speakers sound great together, they are quite different sounding on their own, and they compliment each other quite nicely imo.