The future of music & the influence of AI

[10kDA]

 

[21fret]

All your base are belong to us

 

[Beryllium-9]

AI and music? Hmm... Shouldn't we be more concerned about AI and the weaponization of government(s)? Tax returns are about to be scrutinized down to the penny using AI. Perhaps have a look at the amount of money that was allocated to the digital infrastructure for the IRS. Makes a guy wonder why they want to arm IRS agents not to mention all of the ammo that they have been stock piling.

Where does it end? How about an AI court system? After all, a super computer will know the law better than most any lawyer or judge and can access case law instantly. Could arguments and the law library be a thing of the past? I guess settlements and plea bargains will always need human interaction on both sides? How about an AI school system? CBDC and an AI banking system? Yikes!
I could go on and on here and sadly the chances AI becoming a reality on many fronts is more likely than not. Not fear mongering...just shedding a different light on AI that is real and should be concerning for just about anyone.

 

[George B Dickens]

I predict that acoustic live performance as well as live recordings will take over.

 

[december]

AI generated "music" isn't art. It's not original or creative. Anyone with any integrity wouldn't be able to put their name on something made by AI and call it their work.
Bands that can afford it still record to 2" 24 track tape. It's not going away, just very expensive. The tape machines are the size of dishwashers and cost $100,000 last I checked 20 years ago. It's the #1 highest quality audio medium in existence. Analog at 30 inches per second can't be beat.

 

[playloud]

I welcome "AI" music. It will just place a premium on creativity relative to technical chops. In simple terms: Hendrix gains, Queen lose. Which is quite alright with me...

 

[PelliX]

Not fear mongering...just shedding a different light on AI that is real and should be concerning for just about anyone.

All you mention is scary to varying degrees, but the scariest thought is that we humans might 'outsource' thinking to the degree that we're just about able to ramble at a computer and it will work out the rest. Until it breaks. No, really. Brrr.

Frankly, as far as some government procedures, operations and the interpretation of the law are concerned.. well, I feel that many people running that right now might not pass a Turing test. Heck, I *know* plenty of people that might need a few tries.

Also, for Jeeve's sake; there's no 'I' here. AI music, AI pictures - it's just copy/pasting based on algorithms from existing data fed into the system. OK, we humans don't do much else, but we "understand" a picture. Take some AI generated picture of, I dunno, a sports car or a beautiful woman. You'll notice absolutely insane errors in it. One eye might be an odd squirl or she'll have the wrong number of fingers. That's because there is no *comprehension*, no 'I'. Is it still enough to top the charts? Sure. But that's never required Intelligence... and history will back me up on that!

 

[Beryllium-9]

I welcome "AI" music. It will just place a premium on creativity relative to technical chops. In simple terms: Hendrix gains, Queen lose. Which is quite alright with me...

Rock on dude!

 

[Crikey]

I've been thinking a lot lately about recorded music vs AI generated.

This is causing me some concern. Not just music but video as well.

I can't help thinking that any time I'm listening to a song or watching a recorded live performance it's highly AI influenced.

Maybe I'm just an old fart thinking that 2 inch tape is gonna make a comeback.

Am I overthinking this?

Some will abuse like peeps addicted to diode pedals lol, and it will be abused by those who can't play instruments but have a computer. we may need a new genre titled " I can't actually play an instrument but I can cut and Paste". But, and every one has one, there are some really cool automation thing that can be done with AI that will allow an artists to get the ideas faster on "tape" instead of geeking around looking for patches and clips.
prepare for a few greedy labels to "create" artists who aren't real as they try to shovel that shit down our throats.

 

[yafal]

I don't think it will be that unique though. The AI's are using a base of knowledge of music that has all been done before without the ability for natural creativity to thrive and something new to come from it. I think all they can do is replicate what has been done and put it into different combinations. No human feelings or reflections to have a musical melody come from pure inspiration of the environment and events the writer is living through. No soul, just machine mind.

You would be surprised how many musicians do exactly the same thing making a new song !

 

[SpaceStationNo5]

You would be surprised how many musicians do exactly the same thing making a new song !

I just had a scary thought.
So it's getting harder to come up with something original and good.
People I've heard mention that an artist could create something that too them is 100% original because they've no knowledge of an existing song that has same riff/melody. And a huge court case will happen if that song gets out there and produces money.
What's to stop somebody programming an AI to just loop around and create something of every possibility and copyright it?
Then whenever somebody does something these lawyers step out and ask for the copyright holders cut ? 🤔

 

[George B Dickens]

I was under the impression that besides actual instrument technique and singing live, that computers guide music's direction.

Initially when young and studying I thought Midi made music in-human, the beats were too perfect. Evemntually with computers we adjusted them to add imperfectness, to "humanize" the music.
Punk in its purest form couldnt escape computers influence that revolution only changed the crafts direction as musicains and artists jumped on the midi band wagon.
Nostalagia has become a form of cultural anestetic.
Brand new used jeans, relic guitars, shabby chic fake antiques, recording apps to add tape hiss.

Would Michaelangelo taken to using powered hand tools to sculpt David if they were available?
Mozart use Synphonic spreadsheets to work scores?
Bach use an Auto - aprpeggio feature in his Organ?
Leonardo Da Vinci use a Nikon D 850 to shoot Mona Lisa?😁
Absolutley!
It is up to the artist of today to find ways to use AI to advance Art... and leave AI as part of craft.
Arts and pop culture, in constant flux, between technology and the concepts which uttilize it.
AI can make a difference as a another tool in the box.
It will be the best and future Artists that take advantage.

 

[Beryllium-9]

I just had a scary thought.
So it's getting harder to come up with something original and good.
People I've heard mention that an artist could create something that too them is 100% original because they've no knowledge of an existing song that has same riff/melody. And a huge court case will happen if that song gets out there and produces money.
What's to stop somebody programming an AI to just loop around and create something of every possibility and copyright it?
Then whenever somebody does something these lawyers step out and ask for the copyright holders cut ? 🤔

My Sweet Lord/He's so fine. Let AI mix that up and call it new and original! Gary Barden sang that rock will never die. Maybe so but when considering clever and original - music as a whole peaked quite a while ago. It's stagnate like a pond. The kids these days listen to nasty shit that completely eliminates the purpose of music imo.

 

[Keysdweller]

I remember when The Sixth Ear came out in 1972 and was the first computerized music I had ever heard. It was interesting but I thought it sucked then and still do now. I didn't like it when bands started using computerized drum beats either. It's fine when playing at home or one-man gigs by yourself but I want to hear raw human talent when I listen to or watch live bands. AI will never replace live human talent for me. Reel to Reel tape has made a small comeback in certain circles. I am looking to purchase a reel deck to play and digitize some old reel tapes I found of my band from the 70's. I found the reel tapes while searching through my recently deceased mom's house.
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[Keysdweller]

I'm just becoming so disillusioned with any type of new music. I mean, are people actually playing it? You know, a drummer who drums, a guitarist who plays guitar, a bass player who plays the bass and a singer who actually sings?

Or is it all AI.

Every time I see a live concert on YT I think to myself 'are these guys actually playing this music at the very time people are watching in the crowd?'

Very nice sounding band if that link is your band. I also wonder how much of the music I listen to nowadays are live humans or computerized.

 

[George B Dickens]

Things are moving quickly. I found this is interesting.

MUSNET

 

[NumbSkull]

Up to a point AI is useful, like a digital tuner that determines the note automatically.
AI controlled cutting jigs that produce our guitars and AI designed chips in our amps are also OK.
But when you cant tell if its human or synthetic you get into uncanny valley and its scary.
But the world is going that way, computers decide when to issue speeding tickets, the price of our insurance,
if we get a loan, and who gets a council house.
I have enough music to listen to,
The future is not for me. Someone else's problem.