Statins..Anyone here have to take them?

[Söulcaster]

I could talk for hours on this issue…..

The problem is what people think or have been told is bad for them is not and what people think is good for them is not.

You only have to look at the sky rocketing cases of heart disease, dementia, diabetes, autoimmune diseases, obesity in the last 50 years to tell you the people you trust with your health are lying to you.

Do your research, your life depends on it.

Peace ☮️

 

[ricksdisconnected]

I could talk for hours on this issue…..

ok im down for 45 minutes of them if thats ok.

 

[Matthews Guitars]

I didn't want to take a statin but the reality is that it's been very good for dropping my bad cholesterol level. (That and some big changes in diet and exercise.) The reality is that it works for me and the statistical risk factors for me are greater if I DON'T take the statin, than if I DO take it. So I take it. All my numbers are progressively improving and while the statin drug certainly plays a part, my improved diet and my very improved exercise program plays a huge role in it as well.

Don't think that taking a drug and continuing to live a sedentary existence with an unhealthy diet and no exercise is going to fix you.

The trick is to take the drug, get active, and eat healthy. THAT WORKS.

At 57 I go to the gym and I push more and heavier weights than most guys half or even a third my age, for longer, too. I've got my resting heart rate down below 50 beats a minute.

 

[Söulcaster]

ok im down for 45 minutes of them if thats ok.

All I’ll say you couldn’t pay me to take a statin.

LDL cholesterol is not bad for you, only the small dense variety.

The root of your problems stems directly from insulin spikes.

Out of the 3 main macro nutrients carbs are the only one you can live without.

Your doctor is only treating your symptoms not what’s making you sick.

You need good fat and protein to live.

Your low fat diet is BS.

Throw away all of your vegetable/ canola oil, it’s toxic.

That piece of fruit your eating is giving you a fatty liver.

Peace ☮️

 

[Matthews Guitars]

You need VERY LITTLE dietary fat. Protein to build muscle, carbs to fuel. No diet that completely eliminates any single class of foods is entirely healthy. Balance. Look at how old school bodybuilders ate. They had healthy balanced whole food diets. They ate good food you'd want to eat. Including meat. A nice 10 ounce steak for lunch after a heavy workout. They ate their veggies, too. What they cut out most of all was breads and processed sugars. The nicest thing you can say for refined sugar is that we love the flavor. Beyond that it's all bad.

 

[ricksdisconnected]

All I’ll say you couldn’t pay me to take a statin.

LDL cholesterol is not bad for you, only the small dense variety.

The root of your problems stems directly from insulin spikes.

Out of the 3 main macro nutrients carbs are the only one you can live without.

Your doctor is only treating your symptoms not what’s making you sick.

You need good fat and protein to live.

Your low fat diet is BS.

Throw away all of your vegetable/ canola oil, it’s toxic.

That piece of fruit your eating is giving you a fatty liver.

Peace ☮️

need a fix for fatty liver w/o meds. i like your thoughts though.
oh and keto just got a bad rap a few days back too lol. some study...........

 

[Söulcaster]

need a fix for fatty liver w/o meds. i like your thoughts though.
oh and keto just got a bad rap a few days back too lol. some study...........

Some study brought to you by the processed food industry or the pharmaceutical cartel? Give me a break lol 😂

Clean Keto or carnivore diets will rid your liver of fat first, then the fat from your adipose tissue. Add in intermittent fasting to that as well.

Fructose is the main culprit, fruits only good if you eat it in season then fast for the winter like we did for thousands of years.

Like I said it’s your health. My wife has reversed her diabetes with Keto. She is off statins, her blood pressure is back to normal, only thing is she can’t get her gallbladder back. And my wife is a vegetarian, has been for 25 years,

I have cured my own long suffering autoimmune condition which prevented me playing guitar for 2 years with Keto and lost a ton of weight in the process. My issue was fatty liver and leaky gut and a strong reaction to Lectins and sugar. I’m Rockin again brother.

Good luck, hope you fix your fatty liver one way or the other because the flow on effects of a fatty liver can be debilitating.

Peace ☮️

 

[DaDoc]

I had for gotten all about this thread..

Bottom line was, I tried the statins for a few weeks..And they made me feel weird. So I stopped taking them.

 

[Matthews Guitars]

I do feel weird when taking statins, and when not taking statins. Fact is, I'm just weird. Not gonna worry about it. Not even over the slight chance that the statins might make me go BOOM some day. Life is risk. If you want to avoid all risk, you can isolate yourself from the world and still have to deal with the medical problems that you get just because you're getting older and your genetics say "This is how it shall be for you.".

We can't escape our mortality. But it's no fun to run and hide. So face it. I accept the minor risk of statins because the risk of heart attack or stroke is higher if I don't take them. I seek to minimize my odds of dropping dead before I'm done having a good time yet.

 

[Jubilant]

I’ve been on them for a year now and just stopped taking them due to some side effects.Will try a different one and see what happens.If that doesn’t work I’ll have to reconsider things.

 

[ricksdisconnected]

.If that doesn’t work I’ll have to reconsider things.

"Things" you say?

 

[Scumback Speakers]

I’ve been on them for a year now and just stopped taking them due to some side effects.Will try a different one and see what happens.If that doesn’t work I’ll have to reconsider things.

I was highly allergic to them, almost went into a coma from anaphylactic shock. I had to switch to Repatha, and injectable cholesterol reducing drug. It worked really well for me, no side effects. I went through six statin drugs, I couldn't tolerate any of them. Check into Repatha, warning, it's not cheap. Hope you have insurance, cuz it costs me about $650 per month for two injections that they advise. It worked so well my cholesterol got too low, and they cut me back to one injection every three months. If you need any tips on this, email me at [email protected]

Jim

 

[Jubilant]

"Things" you say?

It’s probably unpopular to consider stopping the meds all together but it’s on the table if I can’t find one that works with less side effects.

 

[Jubilant]

I was highly allergic to them, almost went into a coma from anaphylactic shock. I had to switch to Repatha, and injectable cholesterol reducing drug. It worked really well for me, no side effects. I went through six statin drugs, I couldn't tolerate any of them. Check into Repatha, warning, it's not cheap. Hope you have insurance, cuz it costs me about $650 per month for two injections that they advise. It worked so well my cholesterol got too low, and they cut me back to one injection every three months. If you need any tips on this, email me at [email protected]

Jim

Thanks Jim,
if it goes that way I’ll be sure to reach out.These drugs do save lives guess I need to find the right one.

 

[ricksdisconnected]

It’s probably unpopular to consider stopping the meds all together but it’s on the table if I can’t find one that works with less side effects.

never worry about "popular". focus on what works for you.

 

[Scumback Speakers]

Thanks Jim,
if it goes that way I’ll be sure to reach out.These drugs do save lives guess I need to find the right one.

Statins are ok for 60% of the population, 40% are intolerant. I almost died twice on statins. Turns out my doctors knew, and kept me on them anyway. I found that information out, along with the anaphylactic shock that caused the "near miss coma" one day before the 3 year statute of limitations was up. Obviously I couldn't get an attorney in the 26 hours I had left to file.

Long story short, you can get more effed up on prescription drugs than street drugs. Get your medical records now, get a 2nd opinion asap, and ask for an honest assessment of their treatment.

I did this, and he said "They fucked you up. Since I work with these clowns, you'll have to subpoena me before I can say more."

Nice, huh? So don't worry about burning bridges behind you, they're mostly in it for the money.

 

[DaDoc]

It's a shame, I grew up thinking doctors and the pharmaceutical companies had our best interests at heart.

Maybe they did at one time, but now it's all about the $$, like everything else.

The wife and I were talking about this yesterday, it would seem that the current generation of doctors (the GP's) really don't do a helluva lot when you go to see them..You tell them your symptoms, they look on their computers, and prescribe you a pill. Then when you have side effects from that one, they prescribe another one..So that all too often it turns into a vicious cycle of drugs that do more harm than good..If your ailment is something that they can't simply give you a 'script for, they refer you to a specialist..So you wind up paying them a big chunk of change for an office visit, and then have to spend even more for the specialist.

Case in point, since moving out west I've had recurring problems with nosebleeds, due to the dry air. Our old doctor back in my hometown would have gotten me in quickly and cauterized it. But when I went to my current doctor here, they just told me to use a saline spray or flush (which I was already doing), and then referred me to a nose and throat person..But it took many weeks between getting the referral and then actually getting the appointment set up. By the time I got to the "nose doctor", my nosebleeds had stopped, and the doctor told me he couldn't cauterize anything since he couldn't see exactly where the nosebleeds were coming from! And of course, he charged me a big bill for the office visit..

So last month the nosebleeds started again, and this time I called the specialist directly, but the same old song and dance happened, they couldn't get me in until tomorrow, and the nosebleeds stopped a couple of weeks ago..I'm REALLY getting fed up with this B.S., and tomorrow I'm going to say so, for all the good it will do!

The whole mess just seems like a big money-making racket to me.

Our next door neighbor is a physical therapist, and so is heavily involved with the medical community. We were talking about all this at dinner one night, and he told me that a big part of the problem is that all the medical colleges are heavily funded by big pharma who have a lot of influence over the curriculum. So, the medical students these days are being taught this whole "pill pusher formula" bit, rather than being taught how to really try to figure out what the problem is like they used to do.

I've also wondered how many of these modern doctors have a lot of money tied up in pharmaceutical stocks..

If one can find a good doctor nowadays, they're solid gold, although if you find one you like, it seems there's no guarantee you will be able to keep them as a regular M.D.! It's kind of a revolving door with the ones here at our local medical clinic, like it used to be for my Dad when he was going to the V.A...You might get to see the one you've been going to, but all too often you have to settle for someone you've never seen before for whatever reason, and they're completely unfamiliar with your case, so it's like starting from square one again..Totally frustrating.

 

[TXOldRedRocker]

It's a shame, I grew up thinking doctors and the pharmaceutical companies had our best interests at heart.

Maybe they did at one time, but now it's all about the $$, like everything else.

The wife and I were talking about this yesterday, it would seem that the current generation of doctors (the GP's) really don't do a helluva lot when you go to see them..You tell them your symptoms, they look on their computers, and prescribe you a pill. Then when you have side effects from that one, they prescribe another one..So that all too often it turns into a vicious cycle of drugs that do more harm than good..If your ailment is something that they can't simply give you a 'script for, they refer you to a specialist..So you wind up paying them a big chunk of change for an office visit, and then have to spend even more for the specialist.

Case in point, since moving out west I've had recurring problems with nosebleeds, due to the dry air. Our old doctor back in my hometown would have gotten me in quickly and cauterized it. But when I went to my current doctor here, they just told me to use a saline spray or flush (which I was already doing), and then referred me to a nose and throat person..But it took many weeks between getting the referral and then actually getting the appointment set up. By the time I got to the "nose doctor", my nosebleeds had stopped, and the doctor told me he couldn't cauterize anything since he couldn't see exactly where the nosebleeds were coming from! And of course, he charged me a big bill for the office visit..

So last month the nosebleeds started again, and this time I called the specialist directly, but the same old song and dance happened, they couldn't get me in until tomorrow, and the nosebleeds stopped a couple of weeks ago..I'm REALLY getting fed up with this B.S., and tomorrow I'm going to say so, for all the good it will do!

Our next door neighbor is a physical therapist, and so is heavily involved with the medical community. We were talking about all this at dinner one night, and he told me that a big part of the problem is that all the medical colleges are heavily funded by big pharma, and so the medical students are being taught this whole "pill pusher formula" bit, rather than being taught how to really try to figure out what the problem is like they used to do.

I've also wondered how many of these modern doctors have a lot of money tied up in pharmaceutical stocks..

If one can find a good doctor nowadays, they're solid gold, although if you find one you like, it seems there's no guarantee you will be able to keep them! It's kind of a revolving door with the ones here at our local medical clinic..You might get to see the one you've been going to, but all too often you have to settle for someone you've never seen before, and so it's like starting from square one again..Totally frustrating.

As I have gotten older, plus my autoimmune issues I've had for a long time, or my whole life, I've been dealing with a lot of doctors lately, and new medications. Very dissatisfied with all of them except my main Dr., who's a Medical Internist.

My next appointment (in May) with the Neurologist I've been seeing for 14 months will not be pleasant for her. I will not be obscene, or aggressive, but I will be a bit condescending, justifiably.

 

[DaDoc]

Yeah, that's going to pretty much be my attitude tomorrow, although I'm going to be seeing a different doctor (again), this one's a lady doc, and I might like her, so I'll probably cut her some slack.

I sure as hell didn't care much for the last one I saw, he was the condescending one, and acted like he was running late getting to the golf course that day..He basically looked up my nose, gave me his B.S. "diagnosis", which amounted to nothing, and the whole visit with him didn't last more than seven minutes, tops. But I still got charged a couple of hundred bucks for the visit!

 

[Scumback Speakers]

Ok, for those of you considering getting the latest covid 19 vaccine, Mayo Clinic just informed me of the following issues with it:

The medication of concern is Paxlovid (nirmatrelvir/ritonavir). It has multiple drug interactions, especially with transplant medications. As a result, it can lead to multiple toxicities, including immunosuppression toxicity. These toxicities can cause harm to you and your transplanted organ(s).

My wife just got word that it also affects healthy hearts, not just those with a transplant.

Fun stuff, ain't it?