SOLD! 1967 Super Lead 100w with Original Drake Transformers.

Elvis Legg · Apr 30, 2023

No need to wax lyrical to folks on here about this one, you all know the deal on these things, but here are the details of what I'm selling:

1. 1967 Marshall 100w 1959 JMP Superlead “Plexi” Amplifier

Serial Number: SL10463

Circuitry:

Original Drake 1202 132 output transformer

Original Drake 1203-80 power transformer

Shared cathode.

Filter caps underneath.

Alterations/replacements:

A D.I. socket is installed in the back panel. Looking at the wiring I assume this wasn’t a factory mod.
The Hunts filter caps were replaced in 2006. (Original Hunts are included in the sale.)
Rectifier diodes were replaced at the same time.
On/off switch replaced around the same time (Original is included with the sale.)
Valves replaced in 2006 (Original Mullard EL 34s that were in the amp when we acquired it in 1998 are included in the sale.)

Features to note:

Plexiglass panels to front and rear in pretty good condition.
The tolex is in pretty good condition for the age.
Original Bulgin plug and socket for power input.
The factory fitted indicator light is as used on the very earliest Marshall amps rather than the typical plexi indicator.
The amp comes with an original black vinyl dust cover which is ripped next to the piping one corner.
The QC sheet says “Dry joints”. Somebody has used a fair amount of red paint on the joints and has marked the inititals "JM" on the inside of the chassis in the same red paint. This was done before I owned the amp and I have no idea when or by whom.

2. 1968 Marshall 4 x 12 1960A cab.

Serial number: 19880

Metal side handles with narrow side flanges

Non-standard cloth grille, fitted before I bought the cab.

Tolex generally in pretty good condition for the age, although some tolex is missing from the back panel.

Marshall logo not original.

Speakers:

Four pre-Rola Celestion G12M “Greenbacks”, labelled 20 watt (but more likely 25 watt), 15ohm, speakers with original Celestion Thames Ditton stickers on the back.

All four speakers are date matched with the same date code on gasket: 03AA (i.e. 3rd January 1968)

Speaker number on the gasket on all 4 speakers: T1221

Speaker cone numbers: 41/102 003, 49/102 003, 44/102 003, 41/102 003, i.e. pulsonic cones.

3. Provenance:

I have owned the amp and cab since 1998, when I bought them together in a private sale. At the time neither I or the previous owner were aware that the amp and cab were collectable. The previous owner had bought the amp and cab together in Liverpool some time in the 1970s and had gigged with them for several years before putting them into storage in a spare room, where they stayed until I bought them.

I regularly used the amp and cab for gigging were regular until about 2004. Thereafter they have been stored in my house and used occasionally, mainly for recording. Some time in about 2006 I had the filter caps replaced and the amp revalved. In 2007 I sent photos of the amp to the person who set up amparchives.com and those photos are still available to view at http://www.amparchives.com/folder/475/.

4. Additional items for sale with the amp and speaker cab

Weber Mass 150 Mk1 attenuator.
Castle Cases bespoke vgc flight case for the plexi.
Original vinyl dust cover for plexi.
Four Mullard EL34 valves that were in the amp when it was bought in 1998 plus two used “Pinnacle” brand EL34 that came as spares in 1998.
Four Hunts filter caps, original to the amp and replaced in about 2006.
Original on/off switch that was replaced in about 2006.

Elvis Legg · May 3, 2023

I've dropped the price of this to £9000 for anybody contacting me through this site but it's still up for £10000 on reverb and ebay. If I sell it through here I'll donate £100 to this site.

Thanks,

Rob

Whatwhatringrang · May 4, 2023

Bump for rare amp that he actually has clips he made to showcase everything works ! All the Best with the sale .You are a honest man with everything I have seen here .

Do you remember what where the amps volumes controls set at on the clips?

Elvis Legg · May 4, 2023

Whatwhatringrang said:
Bump for rare amp that he actually has clips he made to showcase everything works ! All the Best with the sale .You are a honest man with everything I have seen here .

Do you remember what where the amps volumes controls set at on the clips?

Thank you very much.

Yes, I included the settings on the video for reference. V1 was on 9 and V2 was on 5 off the top of my head.

79 2203 · May 4, 2023

One of the very best amp clips I’ve ever heard. And your attention to detail in your ad is commendable and all too rare. GLWTS

BygoneTones · May 6, 2023

You will get more interest if you advertise the cab as a pinstripe. Calling it a 68 just makes most people think it's a (less valuable) basketweave.

Elvis Legg · May 6, 2023

BygoneTones said:
You will get more interest if you advertise the cab as a pinstripe. Calling it a 68 just makes most people think it's a (less valuable) basketweave.

Okay, thanks for the tip, I'll do that. I've had a bit of interest but mainly for the head, which I am close to selling.

Petejax1234 · May 7, 2023

What are you replacing the amp with? Must be tough to let it go

79 2203 · May 7, 2023

BygoneTones said:
You will get more interest if you advertise the cab as a pinstripe. Calling it a 68 just makes most people think it's a (less valuable) basketweave.

Wouldn’t a 68 be a Basketweave ??

Elvis Legg · May 7, 2023

Petejax1234 said:
What are you replacing the amp with? Must be tough to let it go

I play through a blue stripe Mark III 60w in one of my bands, in the bits where I play guitar, because I'm a drummer primarily, and I'll be sticking with that. I initially bought it nearly 20 years ago to replace the plexi because I was gigging all the time on guitar and I didn't fancy messing up the plexi when I realised what it is. Also, the boogie is more compact, more versatile and very very reliable. but if I'm honest, when I've A/B tested it against the plexi through the same cab and the same mics with the same reamped guitar track, the plexi eats it for breakfast.

It's a real bind to be letting it go. When I made the video I had no intention of doing so, but I also know that I don't use it enough to justify having it, so logic prevailed, as it should, and I'm really hopiing to sell the head and cab to a person who knows what they are, uses and appreciates them.

I'm actually using the money to pay for a loft conversion on my house as my wife and I have a new baby on the way and my 8 year old son will love his new room in the loft. Me and a friend are building the loft conversion and it's actually not far off complete but I've had to borrow money from family to buy the materials, and not being in any debt is a high priority of mine. I'll post some pictures of the conversion up on here when it's done for anybody who is interested.

Whatwhatringrang · May 7, 2023

79 2203 said:
Wouldn’t a 68 be a Basketweave ??

It could very well have been a pinstripe cab in the first part (quarter)of 68 . I am not authority here on this lol. I have to check the dates again of his speakers and the later early 68 pinstripe stuff I have had . I would say it would have been pinstripe grill by speaker dates on speakers and thing handles . Definitely in there and possible . As i have had a couple around that time with thin handles even latter gasket date codes by little bit that where authentic pinstripe.

I have to look again but probably was a pinstripe. If I remember right even 5 or 6 months on date codes still were pinstripe with small handles on the stuff I have had. Bygone would know more about that than me .

Someone hopefully will get the whole thing . I mean you anre able to tell the speakers are not having issues which is great. It is becoming more and more rare . Sure most are fixable but it’s nice to start out when you get them those don’t have spiders lifting on them.

Elvis Legg · May 7, 2023

Whatwhatringrang said:
It could very well have been a pinstripe cab in the first part (quarter)of 68 . I am not authority here on this lol. I have to check the dates again of his speakers and the later early 68 pinstripe stuff I have had . I would say it would have been pinstripe grill by speaker dates on speakers and thing handles . Definitely in there and possible . As i have had a couple around that time with thin handles even latter gasket date codes by little bit that where authentic pinstripe.

I have to look again but probably was a pinstripe. If I remember right even 5 or 6 months on date codes still were pinstripe with small handles on the stuff I have had. Bygone would know more about that than me .

Someone hopefully will get the whole thing . I mean you anre able to tell the speakers are not having issues which is great. It is becoming more and more rare . Sure most are fixable but it’s nice to start out when you get them those don’t have spiders lifting on them.

The date codes are all 3rd Jan 1968. I think that it is a pinstripe era cab.

Scumback Speakers · May 7, 2023

I'm sure it's possible that there is an overlap between pinstripe and basketweave cloth cabs. I've got a 68 stack I just acquired that has January 4 date codes and both are BW cabs with the narrow flange metal handles.

Brewster · May 9, 2023

Wish it was closer to home

BygoneTones · May 10, 2023

79 2203 said:
Wouldn’t a 68 be a Basketweave ??

I've seen both basketweave and pinstripe with speaker date codes Jan 68 to April 68. However Jan 68 is more likely going to be pinstripe in my opinion, and the obvious indicator in this case is that the grill is missing or has been replaced, with the rest of the cab and speakers in otherwise good condition. That's not something that tends to happen to basketweave cabs, but pinstripe is a lot more fragile, more likely to get ripped and then swapped for something else.

Someone else on this forum has a pinstripe cab with March 68 date codes. I was trying to buy it a while ago, and still interested if you're reading this

That is going by the speaker date codes anyway. As most people reading this will already know, you can't date a Marshall cab accurately by the speaker date codes. They can be several months apart. A cab made in say Nov 67 could have speakers in it dated March 68. Or maybe a cab made in March 68 could have speakers in it dated Nov 67. It's only a 'ballpark' dating technique. I've even seen cabs with speakers made a year or so later than you would expect to find.

If a cab has the narrrow handles you can get away with slapping some Eric Collins on there anyway, regardless of whether it had basketweave on it originally or not. The last pinstripe / first basketweave cabs circa early 68, were made exactly the same apart from the grill.

Brewster · May 10, 2023

Yea, love this cab and it would really shine with a new grill. Either one BW or Pin would make her look killer. So the s/n 19880 doesn't help the dating process at all?

BygoneTones · May 10, 2023

Brewster said:
So the s/n 19880 doesn't help the dating process at all?

Not really. The serial numbers do go up over time generally speaking,19*** is normal for late 67 / early 68, but they can't be used for accurate dating to my knowledge. Only very approximate again. They likely just had a box of them at the factory, plucked one out at random and nailed it on. I don't think there was much thinking behind it, but who knows, maybe Ken Underwood can shed some light on that.

I've even seen a few cabs from 69 with 4 digit serials that appeared to be original, usually seen on cabs from 66 or 67, so they really can be all over the place.

Brewster · May 10, 2023

Okay, thanks again for your input.

Elvis Legg · May 10, 2023

I've now sold the cab to a fella on here. The head is still available for £6500 but maybe not for long. Make me an offer if you are interested.

Thanks very much for all the information and help that people on here have given tto me, I shall continue to frequent this forum and as promised, when both of these items are sold I'll donate £100 to this forum as I know these places don't run on thin air.

Elvis Legg · May 11, 2023

All done and dusted now, bar shipping the cab, sold my Plexi tonight. It feels like the end of an era. Thanks again to everyone who showed an interest and helped me with the sale.

SOLD! 1967 Super Lead 100w with Original Drake Transformers.

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