Real life (rant peeve ) the last 2 generations.

[saxon68]

Lol,
No need to get defensive fellas.
Seeing some of you guys are so optimistic about kids not needing to have basic tools in their belt . Ok , lets forget 4th grade math lol. Most boys can't change a flat on their car,they'd rather wait two hours for roadside to do a 10 minute ordeal.. Parents dont want their kids learning practical things in life, but playing with a gadget for 19 hrs a day is fine lol! Personally ,I wouldn't want my kid to be brainwashed by the www, ie. the electronic babysitter. Try this the next time you go into ANY store, ask a kid a legitimate question regarding product in said store? -Deer in the headlights! It's like their first day,everyday.
Yet they deserve $15 an hour? Nope !
Let's be clear,
I'm not ragging on all kids,some are definitely over achievers, most are not. Most think they do not have to apply themselves, but just show up. What's more sad, is how their parents want to bury their heads in the sand, and make excuses why their children are so lazy and unambitious,and reward them for being that way. That's not teaching them chit ! How about accountability for starters? Show up on time ,give an honest days work, don't make anyone pick up your slack ! Simple enough.
For the over achieving kids , hooray for the parents?

Honestly ,this post shouldn't rub you guys the wrong way, if your kids don't fit into this category........right? Consider yourselves lucky that you did good,and your kids were paying ATTN.
I'm just glad I was given the opportunity to carry my own weight in life, and taught to not ride the coat tails of others.
Feeding yourself,and waiting to be fed, are two very different things. I'll teach my kid to hunt, instead of starve.
Hardly reinventing the wheel:/

You hit one thing on the head. It’s up to the parents to lead and show the kids some things, the difference between right and wrong, ethics, morals, and how to put forth your best effort and have pride in a job well done. And how to change a tire lol.

 

[Calebz]

Lol,
No need to get defensive fellas.
Seeing some of you guys are so optimistic about kids not needing to have basic tools in their belt . Ok , lets forget 4th grade math lol. Most boys can't change a flat on their car,they'd rather wait two hours for roadside to do a 10 minute ordeal.. Parents dont want their kids learning practical things in life, but playing with a gadget for 19 hrs a day is fine lol! Personally ,I wouldn't want my kid to be brainwashed by the www, ie. the electronic babysitter. Try this the next time you go into ANY store, ask a kid a legitimate question regarding product in said store? -Deer in the headlights! It's like their first day,everyday.
Yet they deserve $15 an hour? Nope !
Let's be clear,
I'm not ragging on all kids,some are definitely over achievers, most are not. Most think they do not have to apply themselves, but just show up. What's more sad, is how their parents want to bury their heads in the sand, and make excuses why their children are so lazy and unambitious,and reward them for being that way. That's not teaching them chit ! How about accountability for starters? Show up on time ,give an honest days work, don't make anyone pick up your slack ! Simple enough.
For the over achieving kids , hooray for the parents?

Honestly ,this post shouldn't rub you guys the wrong way, if your kids don't fit into this category........right? Consider yourselves lucky that you did good,and your kids were paying ATTN.
I'm just glad I was given the opportunity to carry my own weight in life, and taught to not ride the coat tails of others.
Feeding yourself,and waiting to be fed, are two very different things. I'll teach my kid to hunt, instead of starve.
Hardly reinventing the wheel:/

In the thread title, you mention the last 2 generations - can you clarify?

And just so I can be sure where we're at in the conversation- is this the part where we talk about how much smarter the previous generations were, while pretending most of them weren't (aren't) fucking morons, too?

Just checking.

 

[Red Solo Cup]

LMAO. Kids these days are sooo sensitive.

 

[DreamerDeceiver]

Ok I' ll clarify.
If you are from the last two generations, and consider yourself a knucklehead that can't break change for a buck. Then the content in this post MAY hurt your feelings.

True. There are morons from every generation , that is factual. But theres a line than shouldn't be crossed, or at the very least ....know where that line actually is . Morals plays a part in that. that at least 3 previous generations didn't base their day on what a phone app tells them to do ,think, and carry out, and how to cancel. Previous didnt base their life around a fake friends list and internet validation :0 That goes for real life and entertainment , theres a difference! Funny how the kids of today want to bash , judge ,cancel and protest almost everything when they don't get their way, nor fits cinto their ideology. But when someone flings sh!t at them, they whine and cry how unfair life is. Wahhhhhhhhhhhhh.
LOL now that's funny sh!t right there.

Textbook, Do as I say, not as I do. Dish it out, but can't take it generation.
Snowflake 101


Again, over achievers are one thing, hooray for the kid and the parent & teacher,mentor for promoting education and manners,life choices. It all starts at home. Either kids wanna emulate what they see,or go the opposite direction in life. You can be the most proficient parent on all levels, but your kid may still turn into an axe murderer. Or just the opposite. Let's face facts, one does not have to be a genius to make it through life. But there's a certain amount of extroverted people skills one needs to navigate in today's society . Not every kid needs to be an expert survival practitioner, but just enough skills to get themselves out of a serious jam will prove to be good thing in the future. One needs an internal toolbox of survival skills of sorts,....figuratively speaking of course ,that should be mandatory. Parents don't wanna be parents, they wanna be their kids friend. That's fine on a certain level, I totally understand connection-bonding. A cool -hip parent is a great thing! But kids have plenty of friends, they need guidance, not a buddy .

If you guys feel that I'm singling any of you guys out, that's on you. lol
But this is just a post. Don't take it so personally. Unless you're a knucklehead, then take it personally.

There just doesn't seem to be a whole lot of common sense exercised these days.
Lead by example

 

[ricksdisconnected]

A much easier and better solution would be to increase wages to a standard like they used to be in the good old days when one person could easily support an entire family while working only 40 hours weekly. Vast majority of problems solved.

The majority of people produced throughout all of humanity have been by accident with absolutely no planning involved what so ever. Just as I'm sure I was (why wouldn't I be, who the fuck in their right mind would want a whinny little brat?!). The difference? When I was born wages were fair, unlike today.

There are numerous things contributing to our problems in the US, but I think that near the top of the list are shit wages and overpriced higher education.

Cheers bro!

that would fix a lot of things indeed but then we move on to mentality.
thats a whole other thread though.

 

[ricksdisconnected]

Kind of funny hearing you guys rant about kids today that are dumb as bricks, do any of you actually have kids? So no blame goes to the lazy parents who didnt want to bother raising their kids?

Doesn't sound like a 30 something problem to me...

you dont have to have kids to see them in the real world and
watch the way they handle things or hear the way they think.

again its not all kids but a vast majority of them

 

[paul-e-mann]

you dont have to have kids to see them in the real world and
watch the way they handle things or hear the way they think.

again its not all kids but a vast majority of them

I guess it depends on who you know or where you hang out Mr Rick.

 

[DreamerDeceiver]

You guys are taking my bitch rant about convenience store kids WAY too seriously. Lol

It was just meant to be a band wagon rant,with no rhyme nor reason. Then it just turned fun to rib a few of yous guys. Everybody gets so heated,and takes it personally lol.
Seriously guys, I'm rarely ever malicious, nor serious for that matter.

lighten up Francis!

 

[ricksdisconnected]

I guess it depends on who you know or where you hang out Mr Rick.

no, its all about paying attention to whats going on around you

 

[paul-e-mann]

no, its all about paying attention to whats going on around you

Nah, youre generalizing Rick!

 

[DaDoc]

I know what you mean, but it's not the teachers fault. They're told what to teach and barely have enough time to do that let alone real math without a calculator.

As for parents, most parents these days need to work a minimum of 40 hours weekly and many need to work a lot of overtime just to scrape by. Long gone are the days where one person could work 40 hours a week and easily support an entire family. So parents don't really raise their own kids anymore and IMO that's the biggest factor contributing to the collapse of our society and lack of morals that the new generations exhibit.

It's just terrible and really bothers me, and unfortunately, I don't foresee it getting better any time soon.

Actually the teachers do have to share the blame, at least in part.

Yes, they're teaching the curriculum the school provides, but they have also been indoctrinated to a certain set of ideas and philosophies in college. And the ones providing the curriculum have also been indoctrinated in the same manner.

I'm not just pulling this opinion out of thin air or from watching TV news (not really news anymore anyhoo, just opinions) I went to a liberal arts college myself in the early 2000's, and saw firsthand the B.S. they're pushing in those "institutions of higher learning", that was 20 years ago, and the situation has only deteriorated since then.

When I attended, I was a middle-aged guy in a class with kids around the same age as my own, so I was pretty much immune to the "indoctrination", which didn't didn't go over well at all with my professors..Some of the smarter kids also saw through it, but they were in the minority, most of these fresh out of high school kids embraced the ideas they were pushing like lovers! I would highly recommend to any parent sending their kid to college to check out the curriculum offered..In fact, parents need to get re-involved with their kid's education from day one! A big part of the reason things are so screwball these days is from parents leaving it up to and counting on the public schools to give kids a quality education, and they're failing at it BIG-TIME..It's past time for the parents to play a bigger role.

Also, my wife is a retired educator with 30 years of teaching under her belt. Toward the end of her career she was aghast at the attitudes and opinions of the new teachers coming in..Everything from their worldview and attitudes to their work ethic..And like I said, the ones who are providing the curriculum are of the same mindset, or worse.

It is true there's too much emphasis on technology, but that's a monster which has been unleashed and I don't see anything good coming from it, nor do I see it going away..At least not until the collapse of civilization as we know it.

I recommend everyone who has concerns about where we're headed to watch the movie "Idiocracy"..It's an off the wall comedy about the dumbing-down of the human race, in which the main character, played by Luke Wilson, is a former soldier who awakens from a military experiment in which he was in a state of suspended animation for 500 years and finds himself in a world inhabited and run by total idiots..It's both funny and more than a little prophetic!

 

[GregM]

I just wanted to chip in on the blaming the wages argument . When I was raised ( by the way I'm just shy of 50 not 100 ) we had 1 colour tv in the house , 1 very small black and white tv , 1 landline phone , no internet no computers ( well an Atari 2600 but not sure that's a computer) . We couldn't play it when dad was home because he wanted the tv on . We got takeaways maybe once a month which was fish and chips .
Dessert was a once a week deal . We made our own sandwiches for lunch , etc etc . Most dinners were shitty meat cooked in a stew with carrots and those soup packet things .
Now today if you add up the households mobile phone bills , internet bills , crap bought that you don't actually need . The grocery shopping where your overindulging or making life easier with shortcuts . The second car , the second cars fuel , rego insurance. All the toys and gadgets you buy yourself and the missus and the kids that aren't needed do you really need people with 2 wages ?
My dad was a single dad since I was 4 , and my hat off to him . He skimped where he needed too and still have us good birthday and Xmas presents for 3 kids .
He worked , prepared dinners even of dinners weren't exciting every night . He made mash potatoes from , gasp , potatoes . Cooked down shitty meat to make it taste good .
If people were prepared to do as much work as he did , and live without all today's gadgets I'll bet they could manage it on today's wages .

 

[Lo-Tek]

I'm getting old I suppose but I'm not sure what the "last two generations" means either. I've lost track of what we're up to. Is "Gen Z' still the latest?

The people I know who are in the 20-30 year old range generally seem fine. Or at least more or less on par with previous generations

 

[paul-e-mann]

I'm getting old I suppose but I'm not sure what the "last two generations" means either. I've lost track of what we're up to. Is "Gen Z' still the latest?

The people I know who are in the 20-30 year old range generally seem fine. Or at least more or less on par with previous generations

Yeah Im not seeing it either other than they are more tech savvy (or dependant) than previous generations. Give them credit!

 

[Leonard Neemoil]

Yeah Im not seeing it either other than they are more tech savvy (or dependant) than previous generations. Give them credit!

Location, location, location...

 

[ricksdisconnected]

And how to change a tire lol.

yeah they have been shown how to call AAA
the ole "pay someone to do it for you". basic skills of the
up and coming.

 

[ricksdisconnected]

I just wanted to chip in on the blaming the wages argument . When I was raised ( by the way I'm just shy of 50 not 100 ) we had 1 colour tv in the house , 1 very small black and white tv , 1 landline phone , no internet no computers ( well an Atari 2600 but not sure that's a computer) . We couldn't play it when dad was home because he wanted the tv on . We got takeaways maybe once a month which was fish and chips .
Dessert was a once a week deal . We made our own sandwiches for lunch , etc etc . Most dinners were shitty meat cooked in a stew with carrots and those soup packet things .
Now today if you add up the households mobile phone bills , internet bills , crap bought that you don't actually need . The grocery shopping where your overindulging or making life easier with shortcuts . The second car , the second cars fuel , rego insurance. All the toys and gadgets you buy yourself and the missus and the kids that aren't needed do you really need people with 2 wages ?
My dad was a single dad since I was 4 , and my hat off to him . He skimped where he needed too and still have us good birthday and Xmas presents for 3 kids .
He worked , prepared dinners even of dinners weren't exciting every night . He made mash potatoes from , gasp , potatoes . Cooked down shitty meat to make it taste good .
If people were prepared to do as much work as he did , and live without all today's gadgets I'll bet they could manage it on today's wages .

i agree 100 Greg except for the very last sentence. at least here in the US anyways.
the cost of everything is going up up up and the paychecks arent matching.

 

[Matthews Guitars]

Increasing wages won't fix the fundamentally different socio-economic conditions that are responsible for WHY things are the way they are now. It can't be fixed with money. All that will do is force cost adjustments through the entire consumer-producer cycle, which is another way of saying "inflationary feedback loop".

To understand what happened, you must understand what CHANGED.

Go back to the 1950s and get the data on what an average wage earner makes and where his money goes. How big is his house, how much does it cost to operate and maintain it as a percentage of his income. What are his other expenses, and what percentage of his income do they consume? What are his taxes? How many vehicles does he own, what did they cost, what do they cost to make payments on, what do they cost to maintain?

You could spend years doing a deep dive on this subject but here's the outcome: You will discover that today, people like to live in bigger houses. Average home size has increased, with higher operating costs. That's a significant factor. Credit is another significant factor. It's readily available to anybody and ENCOURAGES you to live beyond your means. And people do exactly that.

Even poor people today EXPECT to have things that would absolutely be luxuries in the 1950s, even if those things existed then. Back then a single black and white TV and a single radio and a single car was the norm for most middle class families, and simply having those things meant you had achieved some degree of success in life. And a family of 5 was raised in a home that was running about 1000 square feet. It probably had windows that opened for cooling in the summer. Fans might be used. It had a heater or furnace. But air conditioning was a luxury. Even down in the southern states where it gets HOT, AC was uncommon in those days. Houses were built for ventilation and cross flow. Some were built above ground to help cooling. AC is nice but it's expensive to operate. I'm thrilled any time I can keep my electric bill below 200 dollars a month. In the summer that's basically impossible.

When you've decided you HAVE to have more and call them those your essentials, but your parents did without them at the same point in their life, you can start to realize that you are afflicted with the mentality of entitlement.

If you trimmed back your lifestyle to live like your parents or grandparents did, making do with less and smaller, you'd soon find that your ability to save money for the future has increased.

 

[nevermind]

If you trimmed back your lifestyle to live like your parents or grandparents did, making do with less and smaller, you'd soon find that your ability to save money for the future has increased.

What future?

 

[Matthews Guitars]

There will be a future whether it's good, great, awful, indifferent, or doesn't even have you in it. Even if we nuke this planet to total sterility, the future will still happen without us.