People say the G12-65 is the best speaker for a 2204

eigentone

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People say the G12-65 is the best speaker for a 2204 but exactly which one are they referring too? The Heritage or the Creamback?
If you are looking at modern offerings, then the G12-65 is the Heritage G12-65. This is a reissue of sorts of the classic from the late 70s and early 80s. The Heritage speakers do sound good. And yes, the G12-65 is popular with 2204s, 2203s as well as Dumble-style circuits.

The Creamback's model is G12M-65.
 

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I just received two 1980 G12-65's in for reconing. I also just bought a 1x12 cabinet with a Reissue G12-65. The cones are not the same type. So there's another reason why people say the Heritage G12-65 (or is it Creamback now?) doesn't sound right. The old ones have a sharp rib setup on the cone, the reissue has a rounded rib cone.
 

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Here's kind of a cool story going back a ways- I think the Celestion G12-65 Heritage reissue came out around 2008 or so.


BTW, I love mine- its in a JCM 4010 1x12 2204. I was really surprised how much it changed the sound for the better, night and day- nice and full sounding, great mids- not harsh.

Really a solid all-rounder and gives you a good base tone to start with and you can tweak from there.
 

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I think people are talking about the old G12-65, but I didnt like them and am a strong advocate for the G12M65 creamback with a 2204 and a 1959 for that matter. :yesway:

While others more knowledgable have introduced some skepticism for relying on the consistency of 65 tone, I can only say I have tried Twonotes IRs for the flavor. While “that” complemented my 2203, it sounds poorly to my ears through the 1959.

The title is rather telling to me as well as this topic would more readily implode were the question for “800s” 2203/4, or “MVs”… something to drag in the 2203. It seems the 2204 and its subtle nuances are pigeonholed into classic-hard rock, whereas the 2203 with its headroom and bass response seems to invoke a wider variety of heavy music and therefore many more speakers thar
t match or surpass 65s, depending on style of play.
 

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40 variations!
Wow!
Can you provide any details?
Are there differences if they have the same T3120 stamp, but different date stamps?
I can't really provide details as the spec changed so often that Duncan said Celestion didn't keep accurate build of material records. He said the spec changed about every six weeks for 4 years, so I can understand it. But the frame stamp T3120, etc all stayed the same, but the parts changed. I got two old G12-65's in for reconing, they had the original style sharp ribbed 1777 cone. The Reissue G12-65 I just acquired has the round rib cone like my M75 speaker, but it still has the 1777 white stamped cone. The phrase "Specifications subject to change without notice." is the key here.
 
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I can't really provide details as the spec changed so often the Duncan said Celestion didn't keep accurate build of material records. He said the spec changed about every six weeks for 4 years, so I can understand it. But the frame stamp T3120, etc all stayed the same, but the parts changed. I got two old G12-65's in for reconing, they had the original style sharp ribbed 1777 cone. The Reissue G12-65 I just acquired has the round rib cone like my M75 speaker, but it still has the 1777 white stamped cone. The phrase "Specifications subject to change without notice." is the key here.
very interesting! I had a Marshall 4010 combo (JCM 800) with a 15 ohm G12-65 that I bought new in 1982. It was the best sounding amp I ever had. I've been chasing that tone for some years now. I have bought many old G12-65s and new Heritage ones....they all sound different! The differences in the old ones....I had just chalked that up to them being tired.
So a question! Would you be able to recone one of my old 65s with an original style sharp ribbed cone?
 

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Original G12-65's were supposedly introduced to go along with the master volume amps where preamp gain/fizz needed tameing a bit.

I just read this somewhere in the past week. Celestion rep comment on a discussion about them. I was interested in a set for my Germino Lead 55LV mostly because of their 97db sensitivity. Went with a pair of 25 watt Greenbacks instead. Amp is already smooth enough.
 

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I had a late 70’s quad with original 12-65’s and a 82 4104 with them, as well as an Avatar 2x12 with Heritage reissues. I tried them with 2203’s from 79,80, and 82, a Ceriatone 2203, and another 82 4104 (that had Scumbacks)

I’d rate the originals in the 4104 as above average, the Heritage as ok, and the originals in the quad as really poor.

I much preferred vintage Greenbacks, Blackbacks, or even V30’s over 12-65’s. To me they have more of a cough than a bark.
 


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