Origin 50 vs 2266 Vintage Modern

[V-man]

What are you talking about? There is absolutely no contradiction in what you chose to quote.

Dude, you need to quit while you are still on the borderline of being judged to be off your meds. And the retroactive edits aren’t helping either.

You put your dick in the chicken on the premise that ppl waste their $ being snobs against amps that are ”as good as” with a video shootout to prove your point. And when the actual reviewer (you know, the guy in the room experiencing the two 3-dimensionally) says differently about the amps not being on equal footing in comparative shootout with different frequencies and muddiness in the Peavey, you suddenly make excuses about his preferences and biases.

Stop making this shit about you, your opinion and your need to look right, which is starting to make you look nuts. It is perfectly valid you like a Peavey windsor, even valid you prefer it to an 800 based on sound and/or budget. You can recommend people give it a try because they may prefer the cheaper (much like I did on page 1).

Everything beyond this, which you vehemently argue (and re-edit) is wrong, derailing and making you sound like a raped wombat. You went too far on your comparisons, got called out and are crawfishing now. If you don’t see that, cool but just stop. We’ll all pretend you are right and have a cake in the shape of a Black Widow speaker box if it will make you stop raving out of both sides of your mouth.

 

[FennRx]

Dude, you need to quit while you are still on the borderline of being judged to be off your meds. And the retroactive edits aren’t helping either.

You put your dick in the chicken on the premise that ppl waste their $ being snobs against amps that are ”as good as” with a video shootout to prove your point. And when the actual reviewer (you know, the guy in the room experiencing the two 3-dimensionally) says differently about the amps not being on equal footing in comparative shootout with different frequencies and muddiness in the Peavey, you suddenly make excuses about his preferences and biases.

Stop making this shit about you, your opinion and your need to look right, which is starting to make you look nuts. It is perfectly valid you like a Peavey windsor, even valid you prefer it to an 800 based on sound and/or budget. You can recommend people give it a try because they may prefer the cheaper (much like I did on page 1).

Everything beyond this, which you vehemently argue (and re-edit) is wrong, derailing and making you sound like a raped wombat. You went too far on your comparisons, got called out and are crawfishing now. If you don’t see that, cool but just stop. We’ll all pretend you are right and have a cake in the shape of a Black Widow speaker box if it will make you stop raving out of both sides of your mouth.

Too late. I thought he was being rude and crazy last night. I was genuinely surprised to see it was a ten year old account.

 

[jeffb]

 

[scozz]

………… In terms of design it's much closer to Hiwats. It uses virtually identical design solutions. It's a different flavour, but just as good . The reviewer is being modest and of cause, he's also prone to the 4000 vs 200 dollar magic. Who isn't? Me included.

I’m with @V-man on this. I’ve highlighted 4 words from the quote above, a Peavey Windsor is just as good as a Hiwatt????

Do you really believe that dude?

 

[fitz]

Um, what happened to "Origin 50 vs 2266 Vintage Modern"?

 

[Tiboy]

I’ve never had an Origin, but my 2266 is a very fine amp. I set the high dynamic to taste. The low dynamic is considerably lower in volume, but takes pedals very well. Thus, I consider it to be a very versatile amp. The reverb is mediocre at best. I rarely use it. In the high dynamic I find that boost pedals add gain versus volume no matter how clean the boost.

 

[V-man]

Um, what happened to "Origin 50 vs 2266 Vintage Modern"?

It suddenly became a “I dare you to post a better VH clip on your overpriced VM than what I did with my Peavey Windsor, (which *more or less* is as good as the amp below -a NMV Marshall chassis, as well as a JCM 800, and a Hiwatt”) challenge.

 

[RLW59]

What do mean by this? I thought wattage was wattage other than the occasional peak.

OK, some stuff I actually know.

Marshall's website and manuals just specify "X number of watts". Not "100 watts at 5% THD 20 to 20,000Hz +/-3dB".

That gives them wiggle room. Most of their amps are rated at fairly clean power and when you push them hard into power tube distortion they can put out more than their rating (continuously -- peak is a different story). A 100 watt Plexi can pump 160 watts or so continuously into the speakers when cranked all the way up into heavy power tube distortion.

The VM's were rated differently. The low level of distortion used for most 100 watt Marshalls happens at 77 watts or so. 100 watts only happens when the power tubes are heavily distorting and it's close to the maximum continuous power the amp can put out.

As a result, through the same type/number of speakers, a 100 watt VM isn't as loud as a 100 watt Plexi or DSL. (All this applies to 50 watt models as well.)
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It's not "fraudulent", per se. A 100w VM really can push 100 continuous watts. Just with much more distortion than a Plexi when it's pushing 100w. And a VM can't push much more than 100w, where the Plexi can actually push much more than 100w.

It's confusing. And baffling why they chose to spec them that way. It disappointed some people who wanted Plexi volume, and it scared off some people who wanted an amp that gives up the goods at less than Plexi volume.

For many people, the lower output of the VM's is a feature rather than a flaw.
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Each power tube type has an upper limit on how much power it can put out. Internal arcing or the plates melting. But there are lots of ways to get less power out of a tube and have its distortion characteristics behave the same way (or very similar) as when it's set up to give normal full output.

 

[vivanchenko]

So, lot's of talk and no substance. Still no video where a VM can do a better VH then the 200 dollar amp?

 

[V-man]

So, lot's of talk and no substance. Still no video where a VM can do a better VH then the 200 dollar amp?

Guess you win.

OP, you are a damned fool if you don’t buy two Peavey Windsors this weekend.

Also, stay tuned, MF’ers. Every thread should have the caveat that other than Ed’s engineered Brown Sound on his ‘68, you cannot get a better VH tone than a Peavey Windsor (or post clips and prove it… otherwise he wins the internet again).

 

[Cedric]

Quite a diverse palette.

Yeah. I don’t have a particular style I gravitate to, and I have some military medical retirement pay that helps me supplement my somewhat scattershot interests. I grew up around musical polyglots and majored in music in college. I like most everything.

 

[Ufoscorpion]

I had a 2266 for a short while , it wasn’t for me so moved it on . Bought a Ori50h a couple of months ago and it’s going nowhere. That’s how I roll , that’s how I test gear , buy whatever I’m really interested in at the ‘right’ price and sell on if I don’t like and so on .

 

[67mike]

So, lot's of talk and no substance. Still no video where a VM can do a better VH then the 200 dollar amp?

 

[Seven]

Vintage Modern is hands-down a higher class of Marshall amp, but it may or not be the sound/tone you are looking for. I still have a VM combo and it's really a unique amp. I've listened to many Origin demo's on YT and it just didn't do anything for me. Some say the Origin is a good pedal platform, but I think what they're saying is the Origin (when clean-ish) will take pedals, etc.

The VM tones are not JCM800 flavors in my opinion. The 800 has more bite where the VM is smoother and rounder, if that makes any sense.

Like any good Marshall tube/valve amp, the glory is usually when they are breaking up, which usually means loud. The 50 watt VM version can get loud, but it's not punishing like a Plexi.

Origin can be had all day for a decent price and won't go up in value anytime soon. The VM has been holding steady in value and increasing year to year. It may never be a collectable amp, but it's a damn good amp.

If you can play thru it with your main guitar, that will tell you if it's right or not. Also keep in mind the KT66 tubes/valves play a big part in the final power amp distortion. Glass that big usually sounds best when near cranked and not to reliant on pre-amp gain.

At the end of the day, there is a sweet tone that comes out of the VM, but it's more vintage sounding than modern sounding, which is a good thing for some and not for others.

Either way, the VM will hold its resale value and probably increase sooner than later, especially on Reverb or Ebay.

If you can touch it, smell it, play it and finger it, then buy it !

 

[vivanchenko]

Vintage Modern is hands-down a higher class of Marshall amp, but it may or not be the sound/tone you are looking for. I still have a VM combo and it's really a unique amp. I've listened to many Origin demo's on YT and it just didn't do anything for me. Some say the Origin is a good pedal platform, but I think what they're saying is the Origin (when clean-ish) will take pedals, etc.

What makes an amp to be a higher or a lower class?

 

[vivanchenko]

Thanks for the video. I actually liked the Windsor better. Meatier and more punchy. The VM has more sizzle and fizzle, especially the opening cords... Not my thing.

 

[AR999]

Why doesn’t anyone still do the old trick of pulling two power tubes and dropping the speaker impedance to half? I love my 100 Watt 1959 SLP, but like it more pared down to 50.