Marshall Celestion G12 Vintage??

[craiguitar]

I for one agree with you. I’ve compared them before and found the difference negligible. Gotta trust your own ears at the end of the day. I saw a YT video about this a while back that claimed that the year of manufacture matters more than where the speakers are made in terms of tonal differences. Don’t know if there’s truth to it but it was pretty convincing.

Indeed. If you're referring to the John Browne YT video about V30's, it certainly was an eyeopener. For me, finally after 20+ years of reading unscientific internet opinion on the subject, he debunked it all in one sitting! The conclusions are kind of what i was hoping for, in so much as, it doesn't matter if the speaker was made in the UK, China, or on the Moon. They are built to certain tolerances, yet there are even variances in two speakers made in the same factory, on the same day.

 

[MatFnEhUK]

Indeed. If you're referring to the John Browne YT video about V30's, it certainly was an eyeopener. For me, finally after 20+ years of reading unscientific internet opinion on the subject, he debunked it all in one sitting! The conclusions are kind of what i was hoping for, in so much as, it doesn't matter if the speaker was made in the UK, China, or on the Moon. They are built to certain tolerances, yet there are even variances in two speakers made in the same factory, on the same day.

That’s not the video I was thinking of but I’ll definitely check that out. The one I was thinking of had Nolly Getgood talking about his experience of collecting V30s over many years.

 

[roef]

marshall rated the v30s at 70w although they were rated at 60w by celestion.

 

[aberry9475]

Marshall makes a few different v30's for OEM Marshall and Mesa than what they sell commercially. T3897 for Marshall and T3904 for Mesa. Both retained production in the UK. Off the shelf v30's are a different product. You can buy the Mesa ones direct from Mesa. Marshall will not sell their's direct as far as I know, but if you call around to local Marshall dealers you ought to find one that'll order them for you, brand new.

I bought 2 of each new, then wired in a StoneAge 4x12 with 12 gauge wire soldered direct to the terminals. Not claiming it's tonally superior, just nerdy shit I do. The Mesa v30's came with the stickers on wax paper, which I didn't apply and sold on Reverb, lol. But it's my favorite cab in the gear dungeon. Everything sounds good through it.

 

[Point 2 Point]

Marshall makes a few different v30's for OEM Marshall and Mesa than what they sell commercially. T3897 for Marshall and T3904 for Mesa. Both retained production in the UK. Off the shelf v30's are a different product. You can buy the Mesa ones direct from Mesa. Marshall will not sell their's direct as far as I know, but if you call around to local Marshall dealers you ought to find one that'll order them for you, brand new.

I bought 2 of each new, then wired in a StoneAge 4x12 with 12 gauge wire soldered direct to the terminals. Not claiming it's tonally superior, just nerdy shit I do. The Mesa v30's came with the stickers on wax paper, which I didn't apply and sold on Reverb, lol. But it's my favorite cab in the gear dungeon. Everything sounds good through it.

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Some people don’t solder direct?

 

[aberry9475]

Some people don’t solder direct?

Well, Marshall usually doesn't for one. Honestly, the thing I dislike most about spade connectors is when they get just a little bent out of shape and hang on to the terminal, not wanting to come off. It's so much easier the old fashioned way, just heat up the joint and pull the wire out. The spade terminal fixed a problem that never existed, unless the problem is (and it definitely was) not being able to make the most cheapest stuff as quickly as possible. Haha.

 

[Point 2 Point]

Marshall makes a few different v30's for OEM Marshall and Mesa than what they sell commercially. T3897 for Marshall and T3904 for Mesa. Both retained production in the UK. Off the shelf v30's are a different product. You can buy the Mesa ones direct from Mesa. Marshall will not sell their's direct as far as I know, but if you call around to local Marshall dealers you ought to find one that'll order them for you, brand new.

I bought 2 of each new, then wired in a StoneAge 4x12 with 12 gauge wire soldered direct to the terminals. Not claiming it's tonally superior, just nerdy shit I do. The Mesa v30's came with the stickers on wax paper, which I didn't apply and sold on Reverb, lol. But it's my favorite cab in the gear dungeon. Everything sounds good through it.

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I’m still wondering what the “B” designates on my Vintage 30’s

 

[aberry9475]

It means they are B grade. They sound good, but not as good as A grade. A grade is the really good stuff, the cream of the crop, also known at Celestion as "premo" or "tops", and they are selected via ceremony by a sort of priest, usually Slash, summoning the spirit of Jim Marshall himself, through a "bitchin" guitar solo. A grades are then blessed, usually with a puff of cigarette smoke and mojo water (Gin and tonic of course) before being packaged and commercially distributed.

Jk it's an internal factory code and they're the same thing.

 

[Point 2 Point]

It means they are B grade. They sound good, but not as good as A grade. A grade is the really good stuff, the cream of the crop, also known at Celestion as "premo" or "tops", and they are selected via ceremony by a sort of priest, usually Slash, summoning the spirit of Jim Marshall himself, through a "bitchin" guitar solo. A grades are then blessed, usually with a puff of cigarette smoke and mojo water (Gin and tonic of course) before being packaged and commercially distributed.

Jk it's an internal factory code and they're the same thing.

I think it stands for Bitchen

 

[Gab.lab.martins]

I apologise if this has been said already, I didn’t read the whole thread. If you’re looking to buy a “Marshall vintage” speaker directly from Celestion, they call it the V-Type speaker.
celestion(.)com/product/v-type/
I’ve checked multiple ways. That’s the speaker Marshall uses in all “vintage” cabs. It’s fine tuned to the Marshall sound, especially the midrange. It, mixed with the T-75, sounds monstrous.
Hope that helps.

 

[Point 2 Point]

I apologise if this has been said already, I didn’t read the whole thread. If you’re looking to buy a “Marshall vintage” speaker directly from Celestion, they call it the V-Type speaker.
celestion(.)com/product/v-type/
I’ve checked multiple ways. That’s the speaker Marshall uses in all “vintage” cabs. It’s fine tuned to the Marshall sound, especially the midrange. It, mixed with the T-75, sounds monstrous.
Hope that helps.

Good info, I have a couple of each
i’m going to try that mix.
Thanks

 

[HAN]

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I apologise if this has been said already, I didn’t read the whole thread. If you’re looking to buy a “Marshall vintage” speaker directly from Celestion, they call it the V-Type speaker.
celestion(.)com/product/v-type/
I’ve checked multiple ways. That’s the speaker Marshall uses in all “vintage” cabs. It’s fine tuned to the Marshall sound, especially the midrange. It, mixed with the T-75, sounds monstrous.
Hope that helps.

That’s bogus… different sensitivity, different magnet.

 

[wmachine]

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That’s bogus… different sensitivity, different magnet.

Thanks for posting that. I was pretty sure that was not correct and I was going to look for proof of that. I thought "we" knew the only way to get new "Marshall Vintage" speakers was to buy them new in cabs from Marshall. Can't seem to escape the confusion that continues to dog those speakers.

 

[Point 2 Point]

 

[mickeydg5]

marshall rated the v30s at 70w although they were rated at 60w by celestion.

Please read and learn.
Those are two different speakers.

 

[mickeydg5]

I apologise if this has been said already, I didn’t read the whole thread. If you’re looking to buy a “Marshall vintage” speaker directly from Celestion, they call it the V-Type speaker.
celestion(.)com/product/v-type/
I’ve checked multiple ways. That’s the speaker Marshall uses in all “vintage” cabs. It’s fine tuned to the Marshall sound, especially the midrange. It, mixed with the T-75, sounds monstrous.
Hope that helps.

A Celestion V-Type and a Marshall Vintage are two different speakers. The Marshall Vintage is not the V-Type speaker.

Where is the Dislike button?

 

[mickeydg5]

Good info, I have a couple of each
i’m going to try that mix.
Thanks

Bad info.

 

[mickeydg5]

Thanks for posting that. I was pretty sure that was not correct and I was going to look for proof of that. I thought "we" knew the only way to get new "Marshall Vintage" speakers was to buy them new in cabs from Marshall. Can't seem to escape the confusion that continues to dog those speakers.

Sometimes they appear on ebay.

 

[wmachine]

Sometimes they appear on ebay.

Yes, but those would originally come from new cabs from Marshall.

 

[mickeydg5]

Yes, but those would originally come from new cabs from Marshall.

Exactly, they would be used or second hand from an existing cabinet.