Has this G12-65 been reconed?

[FogDweller]

I’m interested in a 1981 cab with G12-65s and am trying to determine if the speakers have been reconed.

The seller’s pics don’t show any “1777” or other stamps on the cones. But there are what appear to be initials in black marker on one of them. Has anybody seen that on a factory Celestion speaker?

 

[BigIronLittleJimmy]

Yes I've had factory 65s with numbers in marker from the 79-81 time frame. There is likely a 1777 or 444 stamp obscured by the frame nearer to the spider. If I can locate any images for you in my files I will post them later.

 

[FogDweller]

Yes I've had factory 65s with numbers in marker from the 79-81 time frame. There is likely a 1777 or 444 stamp obscured by the frame nearer to the spider. If I can locate any images for you in my files I will post them later.

Great, thank you.

 

[BygoneTones]

I've seen what appears to be two different cone suppliers used on the G12-65. There is the usual Kurt Mueller cones with the 1777 or 444 stamp. Those stamps can sometimes be in black ink making them harder to see.

The second type of cone I have seen has no cone stamp, larger ribs on the front, and is darker looking from the back. These could still be Kurt Mueller, sound similar to my ears. Maybe just made on a different machine or something.

As described here:

Vintage Celestion Guitar Speaker Cones - Bygone Tones

An overview of the various cones used on early Celestion guitar speakers: Pulsonic, Kurt Mueller, RIC, 98700.

www.bygonetones.com

I'm not one for buying a lot of G12-65's but have seen these several times. Too many times for them to be recones.

The black ink squiggle is common on Mueller cones. Maybe a quality control mark or something, who knows.

 

[FogDweller]

I've seen what appears to be two different cone suppliers used on the G12-65. There is the usual Kurt Mueller cones with the 1777 or 444 stamp. Those stamps can sometimes be in black ink making them harder to see.

The second type of cone I have seen has no cone stamp, larger ribs on the front, and is darker looking from the back. These could still be Kurt Mueller, sound similar to my ears. Maybe just made on a different machine or something.

As described here:

Vintage Celestion Guitar Speaker Cones - Bygone Tones

An overview of the various cones used on early Celestion guitar speakers: Pulsonic, Kurt Mueller, RIC, 98700.

www.bygonetones.com

I'm not one for buying a lot of G12-65's but have seen these several times. Too many times for them to be recones.

The black ink squiggle is common on Mueller cones. Maybe a quality control mark or something, who knows.

Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it.

 

[Central Scrutinizer]

A couple of speakers that Brian graciously helped me with verifying authenticity. In this case Blackbacks from 1978.

Thanks again Brian!

 

[FogDweller]

A couple of speakers that Brian graciously helped me with verifying authenticity. In this case Blackbacks from 1978.

Thanks again Brian! View attachment 110009 View attachment 110010

Awesome. Thanks for that. I bought the cab and will include an update when it arrives.

 

[FogDweller]

Got the cab yesterday. Played it for about 45 mins toddy and love it. Very balanced lows and highs and not vastly different from my green- and blackback loaded cabs, but definitely works well with my 1981 JCM800 2203. Great hard rock and classic metal sound. The speakers are dated later ‘81, so the cab could be from that year or ‘82. Anyway, I’m very glad I snatched it up. I’ll post a photo in a bit.

 

[FogDweller]

 

[Tatzmann]

Love the cab and the scuffmarks!
And the amp ofcourse, perfect match i'd say!
Congratz again to Foggi

 

[FogDweller]

Love the cab and the scuffmarks!
And the amp ofcourse, perfect match i'd say!
Congratz again to Foggi

Thanks, man. Yeah, I’ve never been one to quibble over scuffs, dings, dents, etc., in buying used gear.