Can I use both effects loops at the same time?

[fitz]

So my JCM600 has both parallel and series loops, with separate jacks for each.
I've had amps with an option for either/or, but used the same send/return jacks.
My preference is for the series loop for EQ/TBE.

Was wondering if I can use my normal setup, and also run out of the parallel send to another amp (Ceriatone) loop return for a stereo wet/dry thing.
Thinking I could use the parallel effects blend knob to control the signal volume to the other amp.
Two of my favorite amps, so I don't want to go with my normal "just do it" mentality and scorch either one...

 

[PelliX]

Thinking I could use the parallel effects blend knob to control the signal volume to the other amp.

I don't think that bit is going to work. Without actually having checked the schematics, parallel loops generally "blend" on the return back into the power amp stage. The send 'level' is not influenced by this, typically.

Was wondering if I can use my normal setup, and also run out of the parallel send to another amp (Ceriatone) loop return for a stereo wet/dry thing.

Sure, you can 'send' the signal to another amp. Even with a series loop you can split the signal off just using a plain Y-cable. It won't really be 'stereo' as such, but you could do wet/dry certainly.

Two of my favorite amps, so I don't want to go with my normal "just do it" mentality and scorch either one...

I don't see any potential for damage here. I've done a lot of FX send -> other amp stuff. For a long time I 'split' the signal into 'stereo' by going through my GP-8 when using two amps at once, but this should be just fine.

 

[fitz]

I don't think that bit is going to work. Without actually having checked the schematics, parallel loops generally "blend" on the return back into the power amp stage. The send 'level' is not influenced by this, typically.

Ok, that was the primary idea of using the parallel loop - so probably no volume control of both amps from one.

Sure, you can 'send' the signal to another amp. Even with a series loop you can split the signal off just using a plain Y-cable. It won't really be 'stereo' as such, but you could do wet/dry certainly.

I don't see any potential for damage here. I've done a lot of FX send -> other amp stuff. For a long time I 'split' the signal into 'stereo' by going through my GP-8 when using two amps at once, but this should be just fine.

I'm using a Zoom multi gizmo in the loop of the 600.
The G3 has stereo out, so I could just tap that as the send to the Ceriatone return.

Thanks!

 

[fitz]

Ok, so I guess that's technically wet/wet coming out of the G3.
Sounds f**king massive.

 

[Mike_LA]

Ok, so I guess that's technically wet/wet coming out of the G3.
Sounds f**king massive.

Wow, bet it does sound massive.
How many speakers are running?

I try not to do that too often in the studio so I won't be disappointed when I have to play somewhere else with only 1 amp.

 

[fitz]

How many speakers are running?

Ceriatone cabs are H-75 Creambacks in some homemade oversized 112's, 1965A is 10M-30 Greenbacks and the B is original 10L-35's.

I tried the parallel out of the 600 with the G3 running on the series loop to see if the wet/dry thing would work that way.
Getting loop effects coming over to the Ceriatone - the 2 loops must be connected somehow...
And as @PelliX suspected, the effects blend knob does nothing from the parallel send.
I guess I could split the 600 send with and A/B/Y if I actually want wet/dry.

 

[PelliX]

How about the guitar going into the 600, then tapping off the signal from the parallel Send through the G3 into the Ceriatone? You'd get the 600 dry and the Ceriatone wet.

 

[fitz]

How about the guitar going into the 600, then tapping off the signal from the parallel Send through the G3 into the Ceriatone? You'd get the 600 dry and the Ceriatone wet.

Yeah, I could run the whole thing in reverse, with the Ceriatone JTM45 preamp feeding the 600.
I have an almost identical setup on the Ceriatone with a G3Xn in the front and a G3n in the loop. (600 is the older G3X & G3)
The G3n can take the line level loop on the Ceriatone.

 

[PelliX]

Yeah, I could run the whole thing in reverse, with the Ceriatone JTM45 preamp feeding the 600.

Does the Ceriatone 'split off' the signal to the loop's Send, or is it 'redirected' there? I would guess that it would need a return feed. That's why I suggested tapping off the 600 - but if it works, it works!

 

[fitz]

Does the Ceriatone 'split off' the signal to the loop's Send, or is it 'redirected' there? I would guess that it would need a return feed. That's why I suggested tapping off the 600 - but if it works, it works!

Not sure what you mean.
Just suggesting I could come off the G3n in the Ceriatone loop to the 600 return.

 

[PelliX]

Not sure what you mean.
Just suggesting I could come off the G3n in the Ceriatone loop to the 600 return.

Right, but then you would get wet/wet, no? Maybe I'm overlooking the fact that you're using two G3's? Then it would make total sense. I'm probably confusing myself right now...

I'm sure you'll get it sorted and let us know how!

 

[fitz]

Right, but then you would get wet/wet, no? Maybe I'm overlooking the fact that you're using two G3's? Then it would make total sense. I'm probably confusing myself right now...

I'm sure you'll get it sorted and let us know how!

Yes, dual G3X/G3 on both amps. (newer "n" pair on the Ceriatone)
G3X(n) with pedal in the front and the G3(n) in the loop.

I could also get wet/dry with the Y on an A/B/Y on the send, before the loop Zoom thingamabobs, from either amp to the other.

 

[Mitchell Pearrow]

Not sure on all of this @fitz
My dry wet dry rig is
Dsl40c fx send to instrument in on the 3210.
Both Dsl40c’s are fed by the 2 outs on the looper. And mxr micro chorus DD3 are in the loop on the 2’nd Dsl40c . With 4 mg cabs.

Mitch

 

[fitz]

Not sure on all of this @fitz
My dry wet dry rig is
Dsl40c fx send to instrument in on the 3210.
Both Dsl40c’s are fed by the 2 outs on the looper. And mxr micro chorus DD3 are in the loop on the 2’nd Dsl40c . With 4 mg cabs.

Mitch

OK, you're splitting the guitar signal out front of both DSL's, with wet in the loop of one.
DSL loop send to 3210 front input is stacking preamps...
Must be able to get some massive gain - over-over drive!

 

[fitz]

OK, tried it the other way around.
JTM 45 preamp going out from the Zoom in the loop to both the KT66 & EL34 power sections.
That sounds fantastic too, just ask my neighbors.
Like @Mike_LA said, it may be hard to go back to one amp.
Hit it with the Klon sim in the front end Zoom and I got 2 channels from the Ceriatone.
(sorry to throw a wet blanket on the Bad Monkey craze, but yeah, the Zoom does that too... )

 

[Mike_LA]

Like @Mike_LA said, it may be hard to go back to one amp.

Yup, I've sworn off single speaker cabs for life, a double rig, I don't dare .. . .Ha Ha

 

[Mitchell Pearrow]

OK, you're splitting the guitar signal out front of both DSL's, with wet in the loop of one.
DSL loop send to 3210 front input is stacking preamps...
Must be able to get some massive gain - over-over drive!

I only run the 3210 on the clean channel.. I have never tried to blend both sets of overdrive.

 

[circles]

I try not to do that too often in the studio so I won't be disappointed when I have to play somewhere else with only 1 amp.

Me too!

 

[Mitchell Pearrow]

When I finally got a chance to grab one of my amps and go jam.. I was greatly disappointed.

 

[Mrmadd]

What effects re you using?
Reverb, delay, chirus, etc???