Balls transplant (on Studio/Mini series)

[scozz]

The Studios have the same pre-amp sections minus two power tubes. The likely culprit of missing bass is the cab. I suspect 2x12s are being compared with 4x12s.

I don’t think there’s any denying that 100 watt Marshall has a bigger sound, including a bigger low end, than a 20 watt Marshall, regardless of the cab used.

If we’re comparing which has a bigger sound, using the same cab, be it a 2-12 or a 4-12, the 100 watter will always sound a little bigger, at least to my ears.

 

[Maxbrothman]

Actually, I just remembered what it is.

It's called the Fletcher Munson curve.

It's psychological/physiological. The amps aren't as significantly different as this is.

• At low listening volumes – mid range frequencies sound more prominent, while the low and high frequency ranges seem to fall into the background.
• At high listening volumes – the lows and highs sound more prominent, while the mid range seems comparatively softer.

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[KelvinS1965]

Yes Fletcher Munson has a lot to do with it, though any of my studio amps can get to a level that's more than loud enough for my needs. I do find that playing my 2525H through the matching 2x12 cab has a lot more depth than through the 1x12 cab (different speakers in both too 2 x V30s compared to a single V-type). I often play through a 2x12 Greenback cab as well and find this has enough low end for my needs, especially in a band context. My SV20h maybe even more so depending on how the jumpers are connected and the volume knobs balanced.


Even my SC20c with the 10" speaker has enough depth in the band context since I don't want to be fighting with the bass player, but of course only having a 10" marks me out as somehow less of a guitar player.

 

[junk notes]

Actually, I just remembered what it is.

It's called the Fletcher Munson curve.

It's psychological/physiological. The amps aren't as significantly different as this is.

• At low listening volumes – mid range frequencies sound more prominent, while the low and high frequency ranges seem to fall into the background.
• At high listening volumes – the lows and highs sound more prominent, while the mid range seems comparatively softer.

What is the Fletcher Munson Curve? Using Equal Loudness Curves in Mixing and Mastering

What are the Fletcher Munson curves, or equal-loudness contours, and how do they apply to audio mixing or mastering? This article will cover that all in detail.

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The Fletcher Munson Curve EXPLAINED

Find out why a good understanding of the Fletcher Munson Curve will help improve your mixing technique when working in your home studio.

ehomerecordingstudio.com

 

[MarshallDog]

Yu

Less iron --> less balls.




If you want more low end, just add a fixed depth mod (fe. a 120k//4n7 combination after the NFB resistor)

p, less meat, smaller ballz

 

[purpleplexi]

Some people want to hit a chord and have it cover the whole range of frequencies from the bass guitar to the cymbals. Not me - I want the bass guitar at the bottom and the guitar in it's own separate space. If anything I find I'm usually struggling to lose some bass frequencies. The guitar lives in the middle.....

 

[tallcoolone]

The guitar lives in the middle.....

Except in Madison Square Bedroom

 

[Michael Roe]

On a side note and interesting as well, On the Fractal Axe Fx III the 1959 model has a little more umph than the SV20H.
The Studio series uses a smaller output tranny and is cathode biased so, they will never sound the same.
As others have already said, in a recording or live situation, the difference will not be that noticeable and in reality, the Studio amps may in fact even sound better.
In the studio you will probably 99 times out of 100 add a little low cut to the track with the big boy amp to allow it to cut through better- no fighting with the bass or kick drum.
So, if one was to add more balls to a Studio amp, the engineer would most likely take those added balls right back out.
So, the moral of the story:

 

[carlygtr56]

The 20 watters just aren't going to have the sonic footprint of a 50 watter and the 100 is even more.
I see a whole bunch of excuses but the reality is with transformers the size of a Hot Wheel's car battery, what do you expect?
I imagine you could add additional low end via an EQ, or the Power Station has a 3-way Deep switch and Depth control.
That said I had both the SV and SC and thought they kicked ass.

 

[tallcoolone]

The 20 watters just aren't going to have the sonic footprint of a 50 watter and the 100 is even more.
I see a whole bunch of excuses but the reality is with transformers the size of a Hot Wheel's car battery, what do you expect?

Exactly. If you want the extra headroom and low end that 50 and 100w amps provide…buy a 50 or 100w amp. They didn’t stop selling them. Everything doesn’t have to be for everybody.

 

[scozz]

Some people want to hit a chord and have it cover the whole range of frequencies from the bass guitar to the cymbals. Not me - I want the bass guitar at the bottom and the guitar in it's own separate space. If anything I find I'm usually struggling to lose some bass frequencies. The guitar lives in the middle.....

Yeah, guitar is a midrange instrument for the most part, and in a band context it’s better to stay in its own lane imo.

Of course I don’t think most Rock guitarist are ok with a thin, anemic, low end either though. A thick authoritative low end is desirable for most folks I think.

 

[scozz]

…….I HAD both the SV and SC and thought they kicked ass.

Did you sell both of them?

 

[V-man]

Not that I couldn’t have added a disclaimer to The OP and still had this derailed and rehashed, but the purpose of this thread is not to rehash the crap about why one “sucks/is inferior over another” or crap how “people should/can’t EQ amps for some band mix”

Studio amps have clear (but not necessary significant) differences in sound than their counterparts. The purpose of this thread was to explore whether the full size sound could be effectively reconstituted in the compact size package to bring it into agreement with what one would expect of the original circuit, specifically re-amping via a larger power unit.

 

[carlygtr56]

Did you sell both of them?

Yes, a couple of years ago. At times I regretted it.....but I got the PRS Hendrix amp recently and a Marshall 1987x is en route! It never ends!

 

[solarburn]

With all the great things credited to these 5/20w amps, the biggest complaint I hear from owners (other than SVs requiring attenuation) is a noticeable lack of low end comparable to the originals. That got me wondering whether that might be restored via a power amp unit like the PS-100. Anybody experimented accordingly and if so, what were the results?

Getting back to reamping with the PS I'd consider the 50 watt version too.

Not that I couldn’t have added a disclaimer to The OP and still had this derailed and rehashed, but the purpose of this thread is not to rehash the crap about why one “sucks/is inferior over another” or crap how “people should/can’t EQ amps for some band mix”

Studio amps have clear (but not necessary significant) differences in sound than their counterparts. The purpose of this thread was to explore whether the full size sound could be effectively reconstituted in the compact size package to bring it into agreement with what one would expect of the original circuit, specifically re-amping via a larger power unit.

Yes. Boost the 20 watts with the PS or bring down its big brother intact. Either way both can have it all. My next buy is a PS 2 . Mainly for boosting my SC800 so my neighbors think I have big ballz. Right now they notice a chub every now and then from it.

 

[cjs42079]

As a VERY proud owner of a 2525H, every time I jam with the band it sounds great. But in the back of my head I’m constantly wishing it was 50 watts. Maybe 100. Nah 50’s fine. Then I forget what I’m playing.

 

[LPCustom28]

Yes, a couple of years ago. At times I regretted it.....but I got the PRS Hendrix amp recently and a Marshall 1987x is en route! It never ends!

Me on Sweetwater over the last month loitering in the Marshall and Bogner sections 🤪 (even though I’ve been perfectly happy with my SC20, but the disease progresses 😅).

 

[Mitchell Pearrow]

Bass pot never goes above 5 on my amps
And they sit well in a mix..