Another lash up - basketweave slant

[pulsonicsound]

Is it just me or are their a lot of dodgy Marshall bits for sale at the moment!?

1968 Marshall 4 x 12 Cab Box | eBay

Die Einschaltung eines Anwaltes, zur für den Dienstanbieter kostenpflichtigen Abmahnung, entspricht nicht dessen wirklichen oder mutmaßlichen Willen und würde damit einen Verstoß gegen § 13 Abs. Cab also with the original speakers.

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Looks like a seventies cab lashed up to be earlier, funnily enough you can see where the skid tray holes have been filled as whoever did it didn’t do the best job..

Not to mention the speakers…

 

[BygoneTones]

Well spotted. Same guy that was selling the coffin logo half stack for 65 grand, visible in the background.

Those speakers are classic music ground T1217's, with the fake white Marshall labels. Those cone stamps are really convincing Justin, well done '299 2 003'.

It's not even vintage basketweave material is it? Just the standard reissue stuff, bleached with some holes poked into it. What a joke.

 

[BygoneTones]

You might find this one funny Daniel:

1966 Marshall Pinstripe 4×12 Cabinet | Reverb UK

1966 Marshall Pinstripe 4×12 Cabinet. A rare, vintage 1966 “Pinstripe” cabinet restored to 1965 “block logo” specs! Re-tolexed, new grill cloth and loaded with a rare matched quad of 1965 Celestion T652 Alnico speakers. The speakers were re-coned with original 1777 cones by Ron Ellis of Goodmans ...

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Emerald City Guitars. Another one of their offerings:

Marshall JTM45 MKIV 1966 Black | Reverb UK

1966 Marshall JTM45 "Bluesbreaker"Arguably one of the most important amplifiers in Marshall history. The “Bluesbreaker” was the first combo amplifier Jim Marshall ever made. After being beckond by Eric Clapton to create an amp that remained powerful enough for stage volume, but also, fit in the b...

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Note these are SOLD listings. Who is buying them?

 

[pulsonicsound]

Yea @BygoneTones I do wonder who buys this stuff, their in for a tough surprise when they try to sell it.


It’s not like the information isn’t out their.

I think their are just less vintage early Marshall bits being sold at the moment so the fakes are more noticeable!

Having said that I did spot a nice white Marshall cab in a photo accompanying a obituary of David Crosby

Nice to see the real stuff, the photo is from august 1965 - ready steady go session!

 

[pulsonicsound]

Some more snaps from the session

Looks like the head was white as well!

I had one of those WEM starfinder cabinets you see behind the drummer, very cool, kind of wish I’d kept it now, hey ho

 

[stratburst]

I’ve never seen T1217 speakers as early at 68? that and I would expect the codes stamped on the frames to be oriented horizontally. Cab box looks to be from 1970, early 71.

 

[playloud]

Another one. Dare I ask?

https://reverb.com/item/65269210-marshall-jtm45-mkiv-bluesbreaker-from-1966

 

[Rokinroller]

Ridiculous !

 

[79 2203]

Wo

You might find this one funny Daniel:

1966 Marshall Pinstripe 4×12 Cabinet | Reverb UK

1966 Marshall Pinstripe 4×12 Cabinet. A rare, vintage 1966 “Pinstripe” cabinet restored to 1965 “block logo” specs! Re-tolexed, new grill cloth and loaded with a rare matched quad of 1965 Celestion T652 Alnico speakers. The speakers were re-coned with original 1777 cones by Ron Ellis of Goodmans ...

reverb.com

Emerald City Guitars. Another one of their offerings:

Marshall JTM45 MKIV 1966 Black | Reverb UK

1966 Marshall JTM45 "Bluesbreaker"Arguably one of the most important amplifiers in Marshall history. The “Bluesbreaker” was the first combo amplifier Jim Marshall ever made. After being beckond by Eric Clapton to create an amp that remained powerful enough for stage volume, but also, fit in the b...

reverb.com

Note these are SOLD listings. Who is buying them?

wow, that’s a crazy price for a re-tolexed, re-grilled, AND re-coned cab !!

 

[BygoneTones]

Wo

wow, that’s a crazy price for a re-tolexed, re-grilled, AND re-coned cab !!

It's worse than that. Look at the woodwork. Totally home made in my opinion.

 

[pulsonicsound]

Wo

wow, that’s a crazy price for a re-tolexed, re-grilled, AND re-coned cab !!

The baffle struts are all wrong, the only thing that could be original(which I doubt) is the actual box and that you can’t see!

 

[pulsonicsound]

Another one. Dare I ask?

https://reverb.com/item/65269210-marshall-jtm45-mkiv-bluesbreaker-from-1966

It’s the same seller!
Since I first saw the ‘basketweave’ advert he’s added more stuff to his eBay account, including that one!

 

[BygoneTones]

I’ve never seen T1217 speakers as early at 68? that and I would expect the codes stamped on the frames to be oriented horizontally. Cab box looks to be from 1970, early 71.

T1217 actually goes as far back as late 1965 with the gold / red Rola Thames Ditton labels. Selmer used them. That's not the problem. The main red flag for me is that Marshall did not use the T1217. So a quad of T1217 in a 4x12 with white Marshall labels on the back is taking the p*** for a start.

Jan 68 date codes would be on the front gasket of the speaker, not the chassis leg.

The frames are actually period correct on 3 of those, but notice the bottom left speaker has the 4 tab chassis. Those chassis only came along in mid 69.

Who know's what those speakers were originally. The 3 with the period correct frames must be recones, otherwise why bother changing the cone stamp? They would be 102 014 or 102 003 anyway on a speaker with those frames, unless they were some really obscure speaker model with an unusual cone stamp. Or maybe super early ones, with SP444 or H1777 stamps, but even then you would think Justin would be able to find a use for them in a bluesbreaker or something. The mind boggles. Who knows what they were thinking.

 

[BygoneTones]

Some more snaps from the session

Looks like the head was white as well!

I had one of those WEM starfinder cabinets you see behind the drummer, very cool, kind of wish I’d kept it now, hey ho

Cool photos. I think there's a video of that knocking about somehwere, not the same quality as those pics though. I wonder if those amps are still sat in someones house somewhere?

 

[BygoneTones]

Wow that seller just keeps on listing fake gear. He's added a pinstripe 2x12 now.

1966/67 Marshall 2 x 12 Cab Box, Vintage, Very Rare! | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 1966/67 Marshall 2 x 12 Cab Box, Vintage, Very Rare! at the best online prices at eBay! Free delivery for many products.

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[playloud]

Wow that seller just keeps on listing fake gear. He's added a pinstripe 2x12 now.

1966/67 Marshall 2 x 12 Cab Box, Vintage, Very Rare! | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 1966/67 Marshall 2 x 12 Cab Box, Vintage, Very Rare! at the best online prices at eBay! Free delivery for many products.

www.ebay.co.uk

I reported the 4x12 on Reverb (since it's so obvious). Still there

 

[BygoneTones]

Good shout. I have reported the 2x12 on Ebay. We should all do our bit and report this guy on Ebay and Reverb. Usually they wont do anything if one person reports it, but if 5 or 6 of us do it then they might listen.

 

[neikeel]

Question is who is buying them at those prices?

 

[Gunner64]

Marshall JTM45 MKII Coffin 1963 - 1964 with cab https://reverb.com/item/64836168-ma...are&utm_campaign=listing&utm_content=64836168

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Same guy. What about this one? The in the back ground half stack. $78k. Probably fake or partially fake I'd guess.

The guy has 100% positive feedback on ebay. How so? Just stupid people?

 

[playloud]

Same guy. What about this one? The in the back ground half stack. $78k. Probably fake or partially fake I'd guess.

The guy has 100% positive feedback on ebay. How so? Just stupid people?

This one was discussed a while back: https://www.marshallforum.com/threads/just-fell-off-my-chair.124718/

You can see the seller initially attempted a ‘package deal’.

Come to think of it, I also reported the half-stack listing when it first appeared, and that was suspended by Reverb briefly.

The seller obviously convinced them to reinstate and perhaps Reverb regard me as a ‘vexatious reporter’ now. I really hope nobody gets duped.